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Player run banks

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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#21 - 2016-05-26 07:03:09 UTC
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#22 - 2016-05-26 07:20:55 UTC
Lisbeth Riraille wrote:
A thread in another forum got me thinking about banks.

I know there have been ponzi scheme scam banks run by players, but has anyone ever troed running a legitimate borrrowing/saving service in Eve?
I ran one for a little over a year until I ran into issue with the host messing up server settings every 5 minutes causing havoc with security on the site, and with all the effort it took I shut it down. Everyone got their balance paid back in full (in a painstakingly long process of transferring ISK and sending mails). I hope to try it again sometime P

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Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#23 - 2016-05-26 08:50:10 UTC
Interesting, but no.

In real life, the economic sector has checks, balances and oversight.

In eve there are no checks, balances or oversight.

If a banker defrauds his customers he "might" go to gaol.

If an EVE banker scams his clients................ nothing.




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Poddington Bare
Black Mount Industrial
Breakpoint.
#24 - 2016-05-26 08:55:53 UTC
Lisbeth Riraille wrote:
Hm, maybe it needs to be tried again. How hard can it be? You just lend money out at 7% and take deposits for 4%, sort of jobbie, right?


It really is as easy as that.

To prove it, I'd like to borrow 1bn isk from you. Will pay 7% annual interest on this. Just send over the money, with "Loan @ 7%" in the reason box and we have a deal.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#25 - 2016-05-26 09:32:17 UTC
Mithandra wrote:
Interesting, but no.

In real life, the economic sector has checks, balances and oversight.

In eve there are no checks, balances or oversight.

If a banker defrauds his customers he "might" go to gaol.

If an EVE banker scams his clients................ nothing.
Same could be said of trusted third parties like Chribba. Some people do want to run these ventures without scamming. Identifying them is difficult, but legitimate attempts really do exist.

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Ohhhhhh Really
Doomheim
#26 - 2016-05-26 10:47:59 UTC
I'd like to be your first customer. I'd like to borrow around 2 bil. I'll give them back I promise ..........
Beta Maoye
#27 - 2016-05-26 11:20:58 UTC
Nowadays you can't even 100% trust a real bank. Don't you remember those failed big banks that needed to be acquired by United States Federal Government in 2008? To name a few, Bank of America, Bank of New York Mellon, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan.

And you want to trust a bank run by gamer?
Exaido
Fire Over Light
Astral Alliance
#28 - 2016-05-26 14:37:37 UTC
Here's how I'd do it. If I were so inclined - in rough terms.

Start with an 'Investment Bank' and create an 'alt' that would become a proxy-CEO; like how you get a CEO put in place with a start-up. The CEO sets the wallets, places any fixed assets (POS / Citadels) and distributes any resources purchased according to a schedule. Once the investment has made its returns, the CEO exists the corporation and hands over control to the start-up (other corporation). The number of investments would be limited by the availability of 'alts'.

If the CEO doesn't leave, it doesn't matter so much as it was their cash anyhow.

Loans, that is 'Retail Banking' is harder for the aforementioned reasons. One way to do that, would be if the player defaults, is have an alliance or agreement with a large mercenary corporation, and have them destroy the assets of the defaulter. The player of course, could place ISK into something like PLEX that can be converted into game-time that can't be recovered through destruction.

The other aspect is that the bank could establish a credit rating; of course this allows the 'long con' - build a good credit rating and then split with the ISK. A website that had credit ratings of loans, supported by API proofs would be interesting conceptually.

But the incremental gain on a credit rating would be much lower at smaller loan amounts than higher amounts.

I may have missed gaps, risks and the like but it's an interesting concept to explore the how of.





Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#29 - 2016-05-26 16:19:03 UTC
Lisbeth Riraille wrote:
A thread in another forum got me thinking about banks.

I know there have been ponzi scheme scam banks run by players, but has anyone ever troed running a legitimate borrrowing/saving service in Eve?


It has been tried (I was in a group that tried it) - but as it turns out if you *do* find a bunch of no-life nerds willing to put in the effort to run it and they *are* trustworthy - they don't have the charisma needed to convince anybody to trust them. Nor were they willing to reach out to find customers, they wanted people to magically find them.

So instead they have gone back to playing the market instead.


That being said feel free to deposit all of your isk with me. I'll loan it out and see what kind of interest payments we can get you.

>,>

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Exaido
Fire Over Light
Astral Alliance
#30 - 2016-05-26 17:22:58 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/07/09/eve-online-bank-scandal


That's a great article. Thanks!
Trace Kel'le
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2016-05-26 18:32:11 UTC
Well if you cant do outright banking how about instruments?

Like Bonds and stocks.

I would have no problem buying zero coupon bond from a well established mining corp.

You can also set up a way a loan could be collateralized with a third party service using a commoditiy such as Compressed Tritanium, where even if the loan defaults you recover something.

As an example Red Frog could take a collateral and if the payment is made it delivers it to the original owner and if it defaults its turned over to the note holder.
Atomic Virulent
Embargo.
#32 - 2016-05-27 02:31:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Atomic Virulent
The only way to 'legitimately' save your ISK in Eve is to log off.

However, if you prefer to ignore the most precious rule in Eve, " Trust NO ONE ", then I would be willing to keep as much of your ISK safe as you would like.

Just right click on my name in game, and then 'Give Money'.....
Rasputin Demonde
Pagan Products
#33 - 2016-05-27 02:51:42 UTC
I would be happy if we just had loan contracts , collateral for isk , loans .
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