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Currently in the land of Goondom

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Ka Plaa
Doomheim
#41 - 2016-05-21 17:11:42 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:


Obligatory video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJeMoBOoAgM


(Great vid though)

"The walls of fortress fade...will never fall"
"Fade will be the monkey's finest hour"


Wellp...



Davian Thule Pirkibo
Caldari 1
Caldari Alliance
#42 - 2016-05-21 17:22:49 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:

After so many crushing defeats in the land of Goondom at the hands of the enemies in space we have found ourselves overwhelmed by expert spaceshipmen. The Mittani has us now mining in high sec and building Hurricanes, and other things, just to keep up appearances. Times are dark in the land of Goons.

Oh how the mighty have fallen they say as they whelp our fleets one by one, pillage our Sov, and take the last bit of freedom the bees hath had for ever so long. We called for aid but no one would come to aid us, all our allies have abandoned us and called us bad names. Times are harder then ever as morale falters and infighting continues. Just yesterday I saw a man proposing we resort to begging for handouts from others, or even sink to the lowest of lows and scam in Jita local. I believe that same man was left behind to die at the hands of the ever maddening Mittani.

Recently I heard Mittani say that we are destined to lose this war mostly because we all did not have enough paplinks, and participation has faltered every single day (playing Overwatch?). For who truly wants to die at the hands of our skillful enemies in these grand space battles? What madness is this I ask? Others ask so what is the plan now? After a long while I heard someone speak up and say, we need to get good at pvp! Not long after others seemed to chime in and agree, we need to move further into Losec space and start our own Red vs Blue. We have forgotten the ancient arts of combat and must once again relearn those ways which we have lost while getting fat off of rats in Deklein.

So it has been said, and so it shall be done. We have lost our ways and forgotten who we are, lost in drink as drunken filth and merely must relearn our old ways. This is how the Goonhammer must be forged! They shall know us for what we truly are and they will fear our awesome skillz once again. Let no one have any doubts, the Goons are here and here to stay!




You were not abandoned by your allies, you abandoned them, and your leaders were planning to deliberately let them die so that they could be absorbed into goonswarm as revealed by lemba so much for that "worst enemy absolute best friend" tripe.
And you are here to stay, but do go and ask someone from goonwaffe, are you a goon, your probably not gonna like the response if you think you are one.
Ayo i'm galileo
Makers of Eden
#43 - 2016-05-21 17:25:13 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Ruining high sec fun time has been a goal for some people for a while, but they kind of self-griefed/imploded. Meanwhile, the anti-ruiner people have been greedily soaking up a couple of years of daily fights experience. Might be a little catching up period involved.


Rofl
The "anti-ruiner" might catch a few here and there, but actually stoping us will only work if you cry to ccp to nerf.
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2016-05-21 20:36:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Chewytowel Haklar
Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote:

You were not abandoned by your allies, you abandoned them, and your leaders were planning to deliberately let them die so that they could be absorbed into goonswarm as revealed by lemba so much for that "worst enemy absolute best friend" tripe.
And you are here to stay, but do go and ask someone from goonwaffe, are you a goon, your probably not gonna like the response if you think you are one.


Davian, I honestly don't care about the 'me being considered a tru goon thing.' Also, if you guys believed everything Lemba said then you all are pretty naive.
Davian Thule Pirkibo
Caldari 1
Caldari Alliance
#45 - 2016-05-21 22:11:29 UTC
If i am so naive, why did they spend so much effort finding him? After all if his leaks were bullshit, they would have ignored it or called them fake, they havent, in fact they validated them by going after him for over a week.
Sitting Bull Lakota
Poppins and Company
#46 - 2016-05-21 23:55:33 UTC
So this is how the empire falls. The Imperium's citizens have grown complacent in their decadence, sucking on the faucets of moon goo and rat bounties. Too long protected and dependant on their storied reputation to keep the invaders at bay. Now the golden Horde Inc. has poured through the gates. (yeah, I'm aware horde wasn't the only invader, but the parallels are too fun)

I've heard tell that "SPAI!!" was being thrown around a lot on goon comms. More than a few goon line members decided to #goHORDE.

Good on goons for giving newbros the opportunity to turncoat during their first month of play.
That, my friends, is how you fix the retention problem Pirate.

We love you, Mittens! Where would EvE be today without our favorite megalomaniacal, internet-space emperor?
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#47 - 2016-05-22 00:02:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Chopper Rollins
Goons have lost their sov because of a massive overhaul to sov mechanics that favours attackers dogpiling.
The rest is details.

Edit: or madly ignorant opinions tinged with RP.

Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2016-05-22 00:30:54 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Goons have lost their sov because of a massive overhaul to sov mechanics that favours attackers dogpiling.
The rest is details.

Edit: or madly ignorant opinions tinged with RP.


What if I told you that this was all planned? That GSF decided to help out CCP knowing the population was in decline? So GSF secretly agreed to tackle this growing threat by doing what they do best, create content. I'm not going to say that losing all of Sov and upsetting all of the IWI staff was part of the plan however. Things didn't go precisely as planned perhaps but nonetheless the population increased, people logged in just because of the war, and so interest has been renewed until CCP can implement a more permanent solution.

And why do this? Because without players there is no content, and a failurecascade is something that is hard to avoid in a niche game like EVE. So perhaps GSF isn't evil after all, they just did the right thing despite being branded as pure evil by everyone.

Kind of a twist isn't it?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2016-05-22 00:49:42 UTC
Dan Seavey Allier wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
Nah ur done bro, people have had enough of goons ******* **** up, destroying the markets and generally being tards

Your done :0

Enjoy high sec, it's fun here


You don't want us ruining high sec full time, believe me.

Really don't think that'll happen. For a long time it was said that Goons would ruin the game. In my opinion CCP is the one who's ruining the game, not Goons.



DMC

Just for clarification, which Vet would you categorize yourself, the bitter, or the salty?



Dan

Well, you definitely don't see any tears from me so that leaves bitter. However for the last couple years now I've actually been more annoyed and skeptical than bitter.

Guess that would make me a Grumpy Vet.

Blink



DMC
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#50 - 2016-05-22 00:54:37 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Goons have lost their sov because of a massive overhaul to sov mechanics that favours attackers dogpiling.
The rest is details.

Edit: or madly ignorant opinions tinged with RP.


What if I told you that this was all planned? That GSF decided to help out CCP knowing the population was in decline? So GSF secretly agreed to tackle this growing threat by doing what they do best, create content. I'm not going to say that losing all of Sov and upsetting all of the IWI staff was part of the plan however. Things didn't go precisely as planned perhaps but nonetheless the population increased, people logged in just because of the war, and so interest has been renewed until CCP can implement a more permanent solution.

And why do this? Because without players there is no content, and a failurecascade is something that is hard to avoid in a niche game like EVE. So perhaps GSF isn't evil after all, they just did the right thing despite being branded as pure evil by everyone.

Kind of a twist isn't it?


Translation: " Our blob got blobbed by a bigger blob of people who logged in for no other reason than to kill Goons. We thought we could handle it with our supersized blue donut, but we treat our allies like crap and everyone hates our leader anyway. So our super sized donut became very small and we had to fight for ourselves. This was a problem for us as we technically do not know how to pvp only how to blob and F1. Furthermore, we tend to take anyone, and i mean anyone, in eve. They say you are only as strong as your weakest link and as it turns out we were the weakest link in our own chain. This was masked by the fact we have always had allies to prop us up and support us.

We have learned some hard realities here. We may have to rethink our strategies, how we treat our allies, and the importance of actually being able to pvp when you do blob. For now we are going to regroup in empire and then go attempt to take out some minor sov alliance with no big friends and hopefully the rest of eve will leave us alone long enough to regrow our empire to a goon size level"
Ka Plaa
Doomheim
#51 - 2016-05-22 02:39:59 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:


...What if I told you that this was all planned?...

I would say; Of course it was part of a brilliant and subtle plan! A plan as cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University!



Also...didn't want that space anyway.





Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2016-05-22 10:12:44 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:


What if I told you that this was all planned? That GSF decided to help out CCP knowing the population was in decline? So GSF secretly agreed to tackle this growing threat by doing what they do best, create content. I'm not going to say that losing all of Sov and upsetting all of the IWI staff was part of the plan however. Things didn't go precisely as planned perhaps but nonetheless the population increased, people logged in just because of the war, and so interest has been renewed until CCP can implement a more permanent solution.

And why do this? Because without players there is no content, and a failurecascade is something that is hard to avoid in a niche game like EVE. So perhaps GSF isn't evil after all, they just did the right thing despite being branded as pure evil by everyone.

Kind of a twist isn't it?



this is what most of us usually do, start telling the things which comfortably describe and tried to explain the situation.

...things didn't go precisely as planned"... another cliche we all familiar with. Was it a secret plan between The M and senior CCP stuff? If it was planned ahead and situation looks kind of unpleasant for current Goonstate should we consider it was poorly planned and everyone have missed some key factors. MBC claimed a notorious victory, GSF said all cool we don't need that sov, space, stations, supers and all the rest. The Imperium "lost" 3 major alliances and now crowded in Saranen without a reason. All those are of course predictable and expected.

Time is the only frenemy of GSF at the moment. I hope you really planned things right cause there is only two things about Goons you're either love them or hate them... Keep it up.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Davian Thule Pirkibo
Caldari 1
Caldari Alliance
#53 - 2016-05-22 15:06:20 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Goons have lost their sov because of a massive overhaul to sov mechanics that favours attackers dogpiling.
The rest is details.

Edit: or madly ignorant opinions tinged with RP.


What if I told you that this was all planned? That GSF decided to help out CCP knowing the population was in decline? So GSF secretly agreed to tackle this growing threat by doing what they do best, create content. I'm not going to say that losing all of Sov and upsetting all of the IWI staff was part of the plan however. Things didn't go precisely as planned perhaps but nonetheless the population increased, people logged in just because of the war, and so interest has been renewed until CCP can implement a more permanent solution.

And why do this? Because without players there is no content, and a failurecascade is something that is hard to avoid in a niche game like EVE. So perhaps GSF isn't evil after all, they just did the right thing despite being branded as pure evil by everyone.

Kind of a twist isn't it?

******* hell mate put down those mittani martinis you've been drinking, he declared a large portion of the military strategy to be harass and deny content, that didn't work obviously but that sounds like this was hardly planned
Ka Plaa
Doomheim
#54 - 2016-05-22 17:01:47 UTC
Koolaid - two parts
Gin 1984 vintage - one part
Bitters - dash
shaken, served on the rocks


Natural CloneKiller
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#55 - 2016-05-23 05:44:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Natural CloneKiller
Checking the sov map and it looks like goons have lost all of their space now!
Hawke Frost
#56 - 2016-05-23 06:07:02 UTC
Yeah, they didn't want that anyway. It was all planned at the 2006 BBQ.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#57 - 2016-05-23 07:21:30 UTC
Hawke Frost wrote:
Yeah, they didn't want that anyway. It was all planned at the 2006 BBQ.



Well on the plus side, from here it can only go up up up up!

(damn that looks so much better on reddit) :/
Elithiel en Gravonere
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2016-05-23 11:50:01 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Goons have lost their sov because of a massive overhaul to sov mechanics that favours attackers dogpiling.
The rest is details.

Edit: or madly ignorant opinions tinged with RP.


What if I told you that this was all planned? That GSF decided to help out CCP knowing the population was in decline? So GSF secretly agreed to tackle this growing threat by doing what they do best, create content. I'm not going to say that losing all of Sov and upsetting all of the IWI staff was part of the plan however. Things didn't go precisely as planned perhaps but nonetheless the population increased, people logged in just because of the war, and so interest has been renewed until CCP can implement a more permanent solution.

And why do this? Because without players there is no content, and a failurecascade is something that is hard to avoid in a niche game like EVE. So perhaps GSF isn't evil after all, they just did the right thing despite being branded as pure evil by everyone.

Kind of a twist isn't it?


In the short time I was in Goons Federation, I really enjoyed my time there. I was led to believe they were monsters and ate babies. In fact, most of them were great players and still are. I think the only reason I left was because of a technical api hitch where my corp got dropped from the Federation accidentally and it was taking far too long to get back in, so I went elsewhere. About the only thing I wasn't happy about was their support for CODE and I could see how that was really upsetting the Hi-sec manufacturers and as we all know, don't **** off big powerful rich manufacturers or it'll end badly.

Having said all that, I still think the Goons Federation are good people and great players and I have the greatest respect for what they had achieved. I think it's a shame that Pandemic Legion are continuing their war with Goons and I'd love to see the Goons keep the space they have left. It's a shame we are kept busy in Fountain with our own war. I'd love to pop over to Pure Blind sometime to help Goons out with rebuilding and trade opportunities. Sadly, The Culture (allies of PL some would say?), continue their own relentless attacks on all their territory fronts. We live in tumultuous times where it is not safe to go outside your front door anymore in all parts of null sec. Who knows what the map will look like, after the dust settles...
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2016-05-23 19:49:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Chewytowel Haklar
Elithiel en Gravonere wrote:

Having said all that, I still think the Goons Federation are good people and great players and I have the greatest respect for what they had achieved. I think it's a shame that Pandemic Legion are continuing their war with Goons and I'd love to see the Goons keep the space they have left. It's a shame we are kept busy in Fountain with our own war. I'd love to pop over to Pure Blind sometime to help Goons out with rebuilding and trade opportunities. Sadly, The Culture (allies of PL some would say?), continue their own relentless attacks on all their territory fronts. We live in tumultuous times where it is not safe to go outside your front door anymore in all parts of null sec. Who knows what the map will look like, after the dust settles...


Thanks :) I've only seen pretty friendly nice people myself. There are of course bad eggs I suppose in any alliance, but a lot of the people I have interacted with in GSF are like you said and pretty nice. I think GSF would appreciate anyone wanting to help us out in the future to do whatever it is we do next. When it comes to Null being a bit nuts atm, well yeah it seems Sov can now change hands fairly quickly now and I expect far more fights happening from now on. Perhaps the old HUGE battles are a thing of the past and the battles will be more prolonged as well as losses from here on out. This is a different kind of warfare it seems nowadays.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#60 - 2016-05-23 22:08:06 UTC
And...the map is clear.

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