Ships & Modules

TBH, it's a tactics change issue that hasn't been solved yet. The biggest adaptation is going to be killing fighters first. This means multiple heavy tacklers with heavy tanks or disposable tanks. Picket ships like a dozen or so thrashers eating the fighters up are going to be a thing. Cloaky dictors, recons waiting for fighters to be sent way out on MWD before tackling, and high ehp RR battleships with grapplers to name a few potential tactical choices.

Some things I've seen in this thread:

Battleships can't solo frigs. Yes they can. Please see the arty Mach, neut domi, Vindicator, etc.

Heavy drones track worse than fighters. This actually has a bit of merit, but heavy drones don't have to reload, be manually directed or be slow as **** waiting for the MWD to cool down.

Carriers are cheap. Yea, cheapfit they are on par with an expensive fit pirate battleship or marauder. Pirate battleships can also solo small gangs. Please see the vindicator, kronos, RHML rattlesnake etc.

Carriers should be more expensive. Never balance on expense. Exhibit A: Titan proliferation.

Ratting carriers are harder to kill. Yes, yes they are. The pilots are more alert and fighters can kill better. There's also more of them and the EHP is half. Take a Chimera tanked against say Serpentis. His EM hole means that against a bunch of purifiers he only has 563k EHP. *Several maths later* Take 20-30 purifiers and a couple of Gravimetric Widows and he's dead in about 60 seconds or so. You lose max 4 bombers assuming no jams land at all and a full rack of missiles, he loses a carrier.

I dont really have a problem about the power of the new carriers, seems reasonable.
What I DO have a problem with is that Network Sensor Array, caps shouldnt be able to instalock tiny things!

The disclaimer needed before I post this. I have not been in or around the carriers since the release this is all based on conversations with and looking at the kill boards for the low sec corp my son is in. Disclaimer over here we go.

Since the changes to the carriers the low sec corp my son is in has had no noticeable change in the number of carrier kills per week, this gives me cause to wonder. Has the corp my son is in been extremely lucky in that they have come up against a bunch of idiots, or is it possible that they have adapted more quickly to the new reality than the OP?

Carriers in real life are more than capable of defending themselves against anything that may come there way. And yes I know this is a game and what happens in real life does not always happen or even should happen here. However considering that fighters are quite literally frigates with no pilots is there any doubt that a group of them could easily wipe out a solo frigate?

Since the Citadel update we have already killed and flown carriers.

The combination of Instalock + fighter mwd speed + missile salvo makes them overpowerd, but also fun to fly.

Specialized Ceptor fits are not able to hold carriers down.

Sabres can't cloak because carriers lock them to faster.

Up to 25k Alpha gets Cruisers instapopped. (My poor Orthrus )


If they are in a bubbled ratting pocket there is pretty much no way to get them.

For me as long as you can quite easily counter carriers on the battlefield - they are in very good position now.
Fighters can be easily countered when you have proper ships to do it.
I can confirm that a single interceptor (frigate to no tank cruiser) will have problem to tackle and hold a carrier - but i also don't consider this a bad thing.
This finally feal realistic, and put some challenge for the tacklers.
Earlier you could keep a carrier tackled in a no tank ceptor or interdictor.

When you check killboard, you will see still carriers dying at similar rate - so even if this is harder - it is not possible and people still do it every day.

I hope that this is one of the changes that will bring bigger ships to roaming gangs again, and we will see less double nano, no buffer triple point orthruses in the game.

There's this ultra strong midslot utility module, it's called a Sensor Damp. You load the scan res script, and put it on the carrier. GG.

It comes from a drop called a Forum Hyperbole Generator. You only get one if a ship you're flying dies when you already have cargohold full of indignation. Drawbacks include, but are not limited to, being unable to so much as hear contradictory arguments let alone engage with them productively.

No I don't. Learn to read. I currently own 36 frigates. I donated an additional 14 of them to the corp to hand out to newbies a couple of days ago. I don't give the slightest trace of a f*** about losing them. I haven't complained at all about any of my other losses. It's not about dying. I legitimately think they're overpowered and have capabilities they shouldn't have.

But why?
This is capital ship that is no longer capable of broken spider tank.

Svipul can kill a T1 frigate, but carrier cannot ?
Ship that is capable of doing stuff you stated cannot be tanked, well this was a t1 frigate so it could be tanked.

The problem is not that they cannot die, they die rather easily. Its that they basicely negate the grid for anything bar a full fledged fleet, a carrier is insurable, cheap and has the power of multiple pirate BS at once. Its just to strong at what it does. Its basicely a super blops right now.

Theres carriers everywhere right now.