EVE New Citizens Q&A

try harder dude.

telling newbros not to go to nullsec, even if the OP states that he already wants to go there is fcking stupid advice especially now that PH stomped the goons, lol. this carebear mindset was lost even before that when brave was a thing so please stfu.

we don't need players that needed to be handheld. the earlier they die, the sooner they'll understand what EvE is. they can learn the mechanics of the game in low and null just fine and on top of that, they'll be even more exposed to what truly EvE has to offer.

there are no safe place in EvE (except newbie sytems) that's the point. anywhere in EvE you can die, don't give them false information that hisec is safe, it is far from it. if you want to play EvE you need to accept that concept as early as possible, just when you are flying cheap frigs and not when you are flying expensive ones. dying and exploding is the most critical and integral mechanic in this game, which carebears like you is finding hard to understand. so yes ill say it again, if dying makes him ragequit this game is not for him because if he wants to enjoy EvE he'll die alot.

Sansha's do 53% EM so armor tanking is better against them. Shield has little to no inherent EM resist so getting a decent EM resist is an uphill struggle.


He's actually giving good advice. The minimum ship for 0.0 ratting is a battlecruiser. A myrmidon with heavy drones and blasters loaded with antimatter can kill Guristas, Mordu's and Serpentis rats significantly earlier than other BCs, but with any of them you can't break the tank on the BS rats with SP that low. I'm speaking from experience here. He should either wait until he can fly a BC better or wait until he's in a battleship. Either way. Generally, yeah it's good advice to go do what you want to do as soon as you can. I'm doing FW on a character that was like 10 days old or something when I joined after all. But you can't just ignore reality. It's physically impossible for a 5 day old character to rat by itself in 0.0 in a battlecruiser without injectors. He won't have enough DPS to break their tanks. Just like it's physically impossible for me to solo PvP in FW because everyone has way more DPS and tank than me and the few who don't are way faster and can kite me. If he wants to go this early he'll have to find a corp where he can rat in a fleet every day. That's just reality.

They weren't killing the battleships then. If you're not killing the BS you might as well be in low. Not to mention that's going to **** off anyone trying to chain. I've tried it on a ~month old character. The myrmidon could do it, mostly because of heavy drones, but it took a long time to kill the BS. Drake couldn't break the tank at all. Even the myrmidon couldn't kill the faction battleships, which is a big loss of money.


It also takes way more training than a battlecruiser. How does that contradict what I said at all?


And they either don't have the DPS to break tanks if you're talking about T1 with meta 4, or they take way longer to train for and are way more expensive if you're talking about T2 fit T2/T3. Again, how does this contradict what I said at all? Do you not get what minimum means? Yeah sure a brawly deimos is a great ratting ship, but it's not something a newbie can fly.

Since the OP didnt say what conditions in which he was going to 0.0, one has to assume that he thinks he can just head to 0.0 and start killing stuff like he is in high sec and no one will bother him. If he had friends/corp/alliance, which is unlikely since he is asking here, then he should be asking them.


1) PH didnt stomp the goons solo, i know, i was there...actually before PH was.
2) sov warfare has virtually zero to do with this thread.
3) You toss around the word carebear for any method of play you dont seem to agree with. Its not "carebear mindset" and "handholding" , its common sense. Learn the definition of words before you toss them around.
4) Encouraging a new player to get in 60 mil isk ship, not including mods, and run off to null is terrible advice. He wont even last long enough to recover the cost of the ships if he last long enough to earn any money at all. We dont need people sending new players to their doom on bad advice before they even have a basic understanding of gameplay. It can be very frustrating as a new player to lose your ship. This game has consequences for dying, unlike 95% of MMOs, encouraging newbies to die just so you can get your jollies is extremely poor taste.



To break the tank of a average belt BS in null will take you at least 200 dps and some normal BS belt rats take over 300 dps. While some destroyers can achieve this and more, they require max dps fit and a lot of skills. A noob isnt going to kill BS size rats in null in a destroyer unless he is injecting or has help. I know skilled people that have ratted in stealth bombers. It was a slow go and they came close to being popped a few times, but they managed it. The VNI is not only a popular ratting cruiser for null but a good one as long as you do long range. Normal t1 cruisers i dont know about as i dont try to kill rats in them at least not solo.

I do know this. When i was a noob( 800k to 1 mil sp) i went to omist. I had a passive tanked drake( fitting provided for me by a vet) that put out 190 dps with my skills. I could only kill the lowest 2 bounty BS with it. It would not break the tank of the other BS( at least i got tired of trying after several minutes of shooting them and feeling like i wasnt going anywhere. I would often have to warp out of belts because some rats could break my tank. this didnt always go as planned and i would get popped( about once or twice a week) ratting. And that was in a drake before they nerfed missiles. Only when i got a raven and could push over 300 dps could i break the tanks of all the BS rats and they still took a bit which means i needed a heavier tank.

When i had about 30 mil SP i use to rat in a curse when i had to wait on other members of my roam. I could tank low sec spawns fine, but killing BC rats was slow and killing BS rats was extremely slow that was with around 240ish dps.

A newbie isnt going to have the skills to fit a smaller ship efficiently enough to tank and kill BS rats and will struggle in a BC. And one that is 10 days old ( as the OP is now) is going to have very little core skills, weapon skills, drone skills, and BC might be at 2. So he is basically fighting in an unbonused ship without any bonuses. One of my alts has amarr frig 5, t2 pulses and able to use only t1 heat sinks He has about 2.5 mil combat sp. i just stuck him in a navy slicer. another alt of mine that has over 50 mil sp almost all combat gets 20% dps, 15% more speed, 20% more EHP( despite it not being armor or shield tanked) with the exact same setup. That is a significant and vital difference when you are in null. Null is designed for higher skill players. It use to be recommended not to go to null unless you had at least 1.5 mil combat SP. Alliances are trying the goon tactic of masses of low skilled blobbing players so they now encourage to come to null while you are still wet behind the ears.

Due to my work schedule I have barely undocked since injectors have been introduced. Injectors did not even exist last time that I saw anyone belt ratting.

All I know is that I saw what I saw. There has been more than once that I have bumped into a very young players belt ratting in null. The first time that I saw a guy in a dessie I could not believe what I was seeing so I struck up a convo with him. Typically since then when I see young characters belt ratting I often ask them how things are going. Living in Provi you'll run into very new players in starter corps trying out null and it is a good opportunity to make new friends and do a little recruiting. So I pay attention to that kind of thing.

Regardless we obviously have different opinions on the matter. Yes it will take a new player longer. Yes they might loose a few ships doing it. But that is how you learn and when you are killing spawns worth millions in bounties a handful of cheap T1 small ships here and there is easy enough to shrug off.

My advice to new players is that the experience is far more valuable than the isk and they are better off belt ratting in null and learning more about the game then running level 2 or 3 missions in high sec and waiting for skills to train.

They can kill most of the spawns, will make ok to decent isk for a new player and learn a lot about the game. They will likely also walk away from the deal with a fatter wallet as well.

Then there are two possibilities. CCP massively nerfed the rats to have less than half the tank they used to, or you're lying. I know which I think is more likely.

Wow, still so much bad advice and assumptions from the wall of text guy and that random peanut gallery person.