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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#21 - 2016-05-18 14:24:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Zathra Narazi wrote:

What tactic counters being instagibbed in anything but another capital? "Please don't take my i win button. I can't get kills if I have to do anything more complicated than push F1 and I couldn't adapt to being tackled like everyone else." Try again.


lol, funny that you play the adapt card, as you are the one who needs to adapt now :D
Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#22 - 2016-05-18 15:25:44 UTC
Zathra Narazi wrote:
So last night I was somehow locked in less than 5 seconds and instapopped from 105km away while doing 3000+km/s at a 120° angle in a condor. Not cool.


The carrier blapped you with the missile ability , which , like all missiles , is not affected by transversal.
Zathra Narazi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2016-05-18 17:42:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Zathra Narazi
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Zathra Narazi wrote:
Says the totally unbiased carrier pilot whose killboard has exactly 0 carriers on it since February.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you had to be a victim of stupidity to participate in this thread... It's not like CCP made any of the proposed carrier changes available in the last few months. Oh wait...

You need to have actually fought something before you can tell if it's balanced. This is basic common sense.

Robert Caldera wrote:
Zathra Narazi wrote:

What tactic counters being instagibbed in anything but another capital? "Please don't take my i win button. I can't get kills if I have to do anything more complicated than push F1 and I couldn't adapt to being tackled like everyone else." Try again.


lol, funny that you play the adapt card, as you are the one who needs to adapt now :D

Again, How should I adapt to being instapopped?

Daemun Khanid wrote:
You're complaining about getting insta-popped in a flipping condor? Not even a fast condor? 3k lol. A worm could insta-pop you. Carriers are less than helpless now, good for them. Have they been over buffed? I dunno but it certainly isn't as extreme as you make it out to be. Claiming the "inst-gib" anything less than a cap and using a condor as your comparison isnt exactly supportive to your argument. Show us a BS (not crap fit) getting insta-popped and maybe ppl will care. Maybe a crap fit t1 frig isnt the best ship to hold down a frigging carrier, maybe think of that? Maybe the navy should send out a canoe to shut down the enemy fleet next time there's a naval conflict.

Who said it was based on a condor? Go read the forum. I'm far from the only one complaining. Carriers are soloing small fleets of subcaps now.
Zathra Narazi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2016-05-18 17:59:04 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
[quote=Zathra Narazi]
Read patchnotes.


1: Angle doesn't matter.
2: Carriers easily get 900+ Scanres now.
3: Stay away from the fighters. (Oh yeah they can go kinda fast, for 20 sec per minute or so.)

Why do you think I'm not aware of the very things I'm complaining about?
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#25 - 2016-05-18 18:48:37 UTC
Zathra Narazi wrote:

Again, How should I adapt to being instapopped?


fit more tank?
Dont mess with carriers when flying a condor?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2016-05-18 18:52:31 UTC
warp away before the extremely slow fighters get to you?

You shouldn't be able to solo tackle a carrier, that's just dumb

Art of Explosions
Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#27 - 2016-05-18 18:57:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Daemun Khanid
Zathra Narazi wrote:


Daemun Khanid wrote:
You're complaining about getting insta-popped in a flipping condor? Not even a fast condor? 3k lol. A worm could insta-pop you. Carriers are less than helpless now, good for them. Have they been over buffed? I dunno but it certainly isn't as extreme as you make it out to be. Claiming the "inst-gib" anything less than a cap and using a condor as your comparison isnt exactly supportive to your argument. Show us a BS (not crap fit) getting insta-popped and maybe ppl will care. Maybe a crap fit t1 frig isnt the best ship to hold down a frigging carrier, maybe think of that? Maybe the navy should send out a canoe to shut down the enemy fleet next time there's a naval conflict.

Who said it was based on a condor? Go read the forum. I'm far from the only one complaining. Carriers are soloing small fleets of subcaps now.


Zathra Narazi wrote:
So last night I was somehow locked in less than 5 seconds and instapopped from 105km away while doing 3000+km/s at a 120° angle in a condor. Not cool.


Like I said, you are complaining about getting killed in a condor. You accuse ppl of misquoting you but you don't seem to remember your own post. Btw, these are the forums in case you didn't notice. As for carriers soloing small fleets of "subcaps," that's an INCREDIBLY broad statement.
Are they soloing small frigate fleets? If so then good. Frigates shouldn't be capable of holding down a carrier alone.
Are they soloing dessi's? See above.
Are they soloing cruisers? See above but they should live at least a few moments.
Are they soloing BS fleets? If so how many BS's? Are they crap fit and flown by idiots? If so then they should probably still win vs a "small fleet" but it should be a decent fight.

A well fit and flown BS can solo a small cruiser fleet if they don't have their crap together. Why should a multi-billion isk carrier be any different?

Just saying "they are soloing subcaps" includes everything from rookie ships to marauders. So again... your complaints (mostly just tears) are pointless.

Daemun of Khanid
Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#28 - 2016-05-18 19:03:32 UTC
Zathra Narazi wrote:
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
[quote=Zathra Narazi]
Read patchnotes.


1: Angle doesn't matter.
2: Carriers easily get 900+ Scanres now.
3: Stay away from the fighters. (Oh yeah they can go kinda fast, for 20 sec per minute or so.)

Why do you think I'm not aware of the very things I'm complaining about?


Angle NEVER matters vs drones/fighters/missiles and yet you make a point of your "angle" to the carrier...
Carriers are capable of (relatively) rapid lock times now yet you complain about being locked rapidly...
I assume if you knew much about the fighters you'd be more carefull if you saw a flight of them heading towards you...

So why exactly are you surprised that ppl don't seem to think you are aware of how the things you're complaining about work?

Daemun of Khanid
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#29 - 2016-05-18 19:35:04 UTC
An XL Desalinisation Plant, nurse, stat!

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Zathra Narazi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2016-05-18 19:49:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Zathra Narazi
Daemun Khanid wrote:
Carriers are capable of (relatively) rapid lock times now yet you complain about being locked rapidly...

Thank you captain obvious. If they weren't capable of that I wouldn't be complaining about it, would I?

Tsukino Stareine wrote:
warp away before the extremely slow fighters get to you?

You shouldn't be able to solo tackle a carrier, that's just dumb

I died less than 5 seconds after arrival. How is that "extremely slow"? Why should capitals be exempt from the same game mechanics as every other ship in Eve? And I never said I was trying to tackle it. Why would I warp in at 100km if I was trying to tackle it? That doesn't make any sense. I was following FC orders to warp in at 100km, burn to 180km from undock and let him know when I got there.

Daemun Khanid wrote:
Angle NEVER matters vs drones/fighters/missiles and yet you make a point of your "angle" to the carrier...

Do they not have math where you're from? I was trying to illustrate how fast I was killed. If you know my starting distance, angle, speed and ending distance then you know how long it took.

Bumblefck wrote:
An XL Desalinisation Plant, nurse, stat!

Someone get this man an actual argument to go with his ad hominem, stat!
Zathra Narazi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2016-05-18 20:01:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Zathra Narazi
Daemun Khanid wrote:
So why exactly are you surprised that ppl don't seem to think you are aware of how the things you're complaining about work?

I don't know, honestly. I keep telling myself not to expect anyone on the internet to have an IQ above 60, but I just never learn my lesson.

Here, I'll put it in caveman speak so you can all understand.

In Eve big thing take long time to lock. It not make sense carrier lock faster than battleship. Carrier big. Battleship less big. In Eve big thing not track good. Fighter big. Heavy drone not big. Fighter track better than heavy drone. It no make sense. In Eve big thing am slow. Fighter big. Heavy drone not big. Why fighter am faster than heavy drone? It not make sense.

Robert Caldera wrote:
Zathra Narazi wrote:

Again, How should I adapt to being instapopped?


fit more tank?
Dont mess with carriers when flying a condor?


Tell me oh wise Eve guru what magical tank you think can fit on a frigate to keep it from being instapopped by thousands of DPS? And I wasn't messing with them. It's not like I expect to be able to kill carriers in a tackle frigate. I'm not complaining that I can't "mess with carriers". I'm complaining that they can instagib something the instant it lands on grid that by all Eve logic they shouldn't even be able to lock, much less damage.
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#32 - 2016-05-19 02:43:42 UTC
They are strong as **** and there is little counterplay, sure you can still solo tackle them if you want to but that needs very specific fits. The fact that a carrier now is a cant engage on grid thing is quite bad imo.

And they are so damn cheap, a proper fit mach or vindi costs more and is just flat out worse nowadays.
Terquil
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2016-05-19 06:02:24 UTC
Zathra Narazi wrote:
I don't know, honestly. I keep telling myself not to expect anyone on the internet to have an IQ above 60, but I just never learn my lesson.


speaking of that and to put it in your words, first of all a little mindset when roaming:

T1 frig squishy
T1 frig slow
T1 frig no match for carrier

and now a To-Do list:

hey, look, fighters!
you in warp in less than 3secs
profit & no fucks given

and don't come up with "but my FC told me blah". When you tell FC theres a carrier and he lets you not warp away then he is just one of those brainless idiots and you have no right at all to whine about nerfing carriers, just because your FC is a dickhead
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2016-05-19 13:04:21 UTC
Terquil wrote:
Zathra Narazi wrote:
I don't know, honestly. I keep telling myself not to expect anyone on the internet to have an IQ above 60, but I just never learn my lesson.


speaking of that and to put it in your words, first of all a little mindset when roaming:

T1 frig squishy
T1 frig slow
T1 frig no match for carrier

and now a To-Do list:

hey, look, fighters!
you in warp in less than 3secs
profit & no fucks given

and don't come up with "but my FC told me blah". When you tell FC theres a carrier and he lets you not warp away then he is just one of those brainless idiots and you have no right at all to whine about nerfing carriers, just because your FC is a dickhead




Just to confirm carriers can near insta lock now with just one high slot. About 2.6s on a frigate and 1.5s on cruisers. Out running the fighters is virtually impossible as they clear 10k m/s with ease.

Not complaining carriers are broken currently as it is too early to tell but they are very strong for the price.
Terquil
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2016-05-19 13:08:54 UTC
Switch Savage wrote:
Terquil wrote:
Zathra Narazi wrote:
I don't know, honestly. I keep telling myself not to expect anyone on the internet to have an IQ above 60, but I just never learn my lesson.


speaking of that and to put it in your words, first of all a little mindset when roaming:

T1 frig squishy
T1 frig slow
T1 frig no match for carrier

and now a To-Do list:

hey, look, fighters!
you in warp in less than 3secs
profit & no fucks given

and don't come up with "but my FC told me blah". When you tell FC theres a carrier and he lets you not warp away then he is just one of those brainless idiots and you have no right at all to whine about nerfing carriers, just because your FC is a dickhead




Just to confirm carriers can near insta lock now with just one high slot. About 2.6s on a frigate and 1.5s on cruisers. Out running the fighters is virtually impossible as they clear 10k m/s with ease.

Not complaining carriers are broken currently as it is too early to tell but they are very strong for the price.


Yes but he cannot point you. The only way he can kill you fast is: his fighters are near you for whatever reason.

If you land 100km away with a condor you have "plenty" of time to run
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2016-05-19 13:12:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Switch Savage
Terquil wrote:
Switch Savage wrote:
Terquil wrote:
Zathra Narazi wrote:
I don't know, honestly. I keep telling myself not to expect anyone on the internet to have an IQ above 60, but I just never learn my lesson.


speaking of that and to put it in your words, first of all a little mindset when roaming:

T1 frig squishy
T1 frig slow
T1 frig no match for carrier

and now a To-Do list:

hey, look, fighters!
you in warp in less than 3secs
profit & no fucks given

and don't come up with "but my FC told me blah". When you tell FC theres a carrier and he lets you not warp away then he is just one of those brainless idiots and you have no right at all to whine about nerfing carriers, just because your FC is a dickhead




Just to confirm carriers can near insta lock now with just one high slot. About 2.6s on a frigate and 1.5s on cruisers. Out running the fighters is virtually impossible as they clear 10k m/s with ease.

Not complaining carriers are broken currently as it is too early to tell but they are very strong for the price.


Yes but he cannot point you. The only way he can kill you fast is: his fighters are near you for whatever reason.

If you land 100km away with a condor you have "plenty" of time to run


Could run a squadron of fighters with a point :D

But yeah you land 100km off you are fine agreed.
Zathra Narazi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2016-05-19 17:21:15 UTC
Terquil wrote:
hey, look, fighters!
you in warp in less than 3secs
profit & no fucks given


Switch Savage wrote:
Just to confirm carriers can near insta lock now with just one high slot. About 2.6s on a frigate and 1.5s on cruisers.

.....
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#38 - 2016-05-19 17:46:19 UTC
Zathra Narazi wrote:
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
[quote=Zathra Narazi]
Read patchnotes.


1: Angle doesn't matter.
2: Carriers easily get 900+ Scanres now.
3: Stay away from the fighters. (Oh yeah they can go kinda fast, for 20 sec per minute or so.)

Why do you think I'm not aware of the very things I'm complaining about?



Would you complain that your Condor got wrecked by a Vindicator if you maneuvered yourself into it's deathsphere of 90% webs?
That's why I think you're not aware of these things. Because you made the appearance to be of simple mind.
Zathra Narazi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2016-05-19 18:03:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Zathra Narazi
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Zathra Narazi wrote:
Syrias Bizniz wrote:

Read patchnotes.


1: Angle doesn't matter.
2: Carriers easily get 900+ Scanres now.
3: Stay away from the fighters. (Oh yeah they can go kinda fast, for 20 sec per minute or so.)

Why do you think I'm not aware of the very things I'm complaining about?



Would you complain that your Condor got wrecked by a Vindicator if you maneuvered yourself into it's deathsphere of 90% webs?
That's why I think you're not aware of these things. Because you made the appearance to be of simple mind.

No I don't appear that way. Something is wrong with your perception. And no I wouldn't complain about the vindicator. If I was ever killed in a frigate by a solo battleship I'd commit seppuku from the shame. I have no problem with dying. I haven't complained about any of my other deaths. I didn't even complain about losing my implants to the carrier's belt smartbombing buddy. I do have a problem with being instakilled by blatantly broken ships that can and do solo small fleets.
Terquil
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2016-05-19 18:06:56 UTC
You do realize that in your opinion the carrier locked you in 5secs? Cant understand how the **** u died but idc either.

A carrier SHOULD be able to solo a small gang