EVE General Discussion

Time is the limiting factor in destruction. Are you arguing that there should be a limit on the ships destroyed?

Limiting resources penalizes new players, concentrates the resources in places that are hard to reach, and will eventually kill the game.

Why is it that people like you claim to know everything, post one line and then explain nothing thinking that you automatically win at everything just for doing so?

Sir, this is a outstanding idea.

I dont think it should ever be to true depletion though. For instance, everyone and his dogs goes hell for leather to get Guristas. Eventually the faction withers. People move on to angels. Guristas slowly build their little zone of influence back up.

This idea would cause more movement, of the playerbase, and a much much more dynamic universe.

Mostly because winning isn't the point. And I don't recall claiming omniscience, I do however know enough of agriculture to know that time and effort are not the only limiting factors keeping mankind from infinite food, which makes an argument based on the contrary condition, suggesting that time and effort are the only limiting factors that are needed in resource acquisition incorrect; regardless of how sound the logic is, the premise by negative comparison is incorrect and so the argument doesn't stand.

The reason I don't explain simple things like this is because if you engage me as an equal or would be superior, then I shouldn't have to explain basic **** to you then, should I? No, I shouldn't be expected to get you up to speed, that's your watch. Which means I am perfectly within my right by any reckoning to laugh at ridiculous **** I read.

Moon goo is limited by the fixed production capped by their limited number.

Minerals are limited by asteroids despawning. Not ice though (ice roids deplete at a very tiny rate but ice belts are so few a single alliance can cripple their production)

PI commodities are limited by planets depletion rate


Furthermore there's the little detail that this is a game.

When minerals used to take days to respawn, players complained that it was unfair to certain time zones to always find everything stripped off just becase the respawn happened at Europe friendly hours (at downtime).


What if the sought after moon goo was only available when YOU are not online to take it?

It'd be realistic after all, because in RL those who arrive late at grabbing something are just screwed and that's it. Would it be subscription pay-worthy to those left out?


Finally, there are not "too many minerals" or "too high / too low prices". There's just a number (price) approximately relating the amount of resources vs those who want them.

Who sets the bar? Make it easy to farm Titans? Go back when buying a battleship was a major accomplishment?
What about PLEX? You can make the game hostile to anyone except rich babies whose father's credit card is fat enough after all.

Eve is more complex than a "reduce / cap resources" operation can achieve.
"Too many mining bots?"

Nope, bots numbers are balanced against non bots and against the many major minerals faucets.

Reduce bots (good thing) and you will just see more "real player" miners fill their niche till prices crash again to balance mining worthiness vs other professions requiring non afk play.

A more relevant post would be "make mining non afk-able (and not bottable of course)". But then you'd lose all those subscriptions used to mine while AFK (the majority).

EvE is more complex to change than one liners show.

Its a novel idea I'll give you that, but ultimately not one I can agree with.

People are treating this as an on/off switch which I dont think was the intention of the original post.

Of course, a corresponding solution would be to soften the restrictions to pvping in hi-sec, which would increase the amount of resources used/ destroyed. As someone pointed out however, the more established players would be far better able to cope with these changes and as such, ccp will not do it.

What I personally would like to see would be a system where resource rates were toned down immensely, particularly moon goo and other t2 related products- lets say something as drastic as an eventual price increase of t2 products to 200% their current value. Established players would be able to afford the products, but t1 variants become cheaper viable options. Currently, any T1 below meta 4 or ships below Battlecruisers are all but useless in pvp (sure the blackbird or whathaveyou could be the exception to the rule).

If the majority of ships fleeted in fleet engagements were T1 in composition, where loosing a t2 ship was a huge loss and hi sec rewards were lowered or made scarcer to entice hi-sec pvp, then Eve would become alot more interesting. Also remove local :)

Of course, people could become alot more risk adverse and instead just refuse to pvp as much.

Why do you say "concentrates the resources"? What if resources (whether moongoo, rocks or ice) were just widely (not necessarily evenly) spread around the place, so there were lots of small areas to fight over, rather than over a few very valuable areas, as it is now?

No I would prefer the diminished returns with a floor on the degree diminished, as per suggestion 1. Still unlimited, but only if you move around. I think this would make mining more interesting and make territory worth controlling beyond what technetium moon is in system. I don't think doing this would grind the economy to a halt, it might not even slow it down.



Right, because every time I ever reprocessed a rifter, I got nothing back. All minerals are irrevocably consumed in manufacturing.

Before the dominance of Tech (whose value was introduced by a CCP screwup well after moons were seeded), the R64s were the moons people fought over. And they are spread fairly evenly over the map. So much so that a small alliance had a decent chance of wrangling one out of the hands of an established alliance. And then doing it again, and again, until that small alliance had a good income and could start taking systems. This also taught that alliance how to deal with POS warfare (essential at the time, due to Sov's being based on POSes).

As for Asteroids, nobody mines in Null, let alone fights over the places to mine. Heck, nobody directly fights over Sec status systems. If your alliance needs more space, you fight to expand it (regardless of the sec). Stations are the most important bits to fight over in that expansion.