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What The H-E-Double Hockey Sticks Happened to Mining?
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Netan MalDoran
Cathedral.
Shadow Cartel
#41 - 2016-05-13 15:30:13 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Let's see:
- AFK Mining in a retrieve-
- Not docking up while afk
- Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death)
- Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up

You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad.


Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up


Solution:
1. DO NOT AFK
2. Learn to Dscan
3. DO NOT AFK
4. Fit a tank (hint: retrievers are bad at it)
5. DO NOT AFK
6. Set known gankers to -10
7. DO NOT AFK
8. Dock up when you want to afk not stay on the belt to be a target for cats
9. DO NOT AFK
10. Team up with other like-minded players (that don't afk mine and whine about dying when they get ganked)
11. DO NOT AFK

There's your solution. It aint hard m8 I even made an alt to mine my way into a bloody rhea. Did I forget to say that DO NOT AFK when undocked? I think I didn't say it hard enough.


DONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIE



Jeezuz....you need to get laid


Asks for solution, gets it and doesn't like said solution as it doesn't conform with his idea of a "solution" and therefore proceeds to insult said solution giver.

It's like you don't want to learn on how to play EVE and just want it to fit with your own concept on how EVE should be.


Pretty much this all sums it up, OP, you basically lost all credibility you had with your response to Yang's original post.
This guy isn't a troll, you just cant appearantally handle the truth of either play the game, die horribly, or go play another game like WoW, I'm sure Blizzard will cater to your every need to the point where they water down the game Blink

"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

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Anyura
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2016-05-13 15:55:22 UTC
Suicide ganking lead to the development of the Battle Venture Fleet.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#43 - 2016-05-13 16:27:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
So I've been away from the game for over a year. Just got back into it and I've been TRYING to mine to build up some money. Unfortunately I've discovered the new "Hotness" in EVE....Asteroid Squatting. When did it become fashionable to absolutely gank a lowly mining rig...in Hi Sec areas and then scream at you for not paying for a mining contract? Ugh

I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back.

Time to look for new game I suppose?


Ladies and gentlemen, please read and re-read this post. After the 2nd time you read it, ask your self "why does groups like CODE" exist"? If you can't see the obvious answer, seek mental healthcare attention.
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#44 - 2016-05-13 16:50:31 UTC
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
Mark O'Helm wrote:
-don't mine afk
-set Code. to red contacts
- fly a procurer



Sometimes I GOT to do my laundry....perfect time for AFK mining....

So how in the Hell do I set Code? Don't even know what that means honestly. I was using a Retriever for Hi Sec and the lowly Venture for Hi Sec....since that seems to be more profitable for less ore...and time in the "Hot Zone"


1) First read about the Law Of Highsec from here: http://www.lawofhighsec.com/the-law

2) Then find yourself a code agent and purchasing a Mining Permit and follow his or her instructions for display it because Permit Tank is best tank.

3) Follow the Law Of Highsec for example dock up when you GOT to do your laundry.

4) Read http://www.minerbumping.com/ and don't be a goofus.
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#45 - 2016-05-13 18:09:58 UTC
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
So I've been away from the game for over a year. Just got back into it and I've been TRYING to mine to build up some money. Unfortunately I've discovered the new "Hotness" in EVE....Asteroid Squatting. When did it become fashionable to absolutely gank a lowly mining rig...in Hi Sec areas and then scream at you for not paying for a mining contract? Ugh

I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back.

Time to look for new game I suppose?


What you are experiencing is just a small part of Code enforcement in highsec. The fact that you got ganked (repeatedly) while AFK mining is to be expected in New Order systems but its really just a tiny part of "the big picture".

For some time now, the New Order has required permits not just for highsec mining but for all PvE activities in James' space. For instance, CCP was recently forced to revise the age old bumping mechanics due to the near extinction of highsec freighters. Additionally, highsec shuttle pilots were stunned (and smashed and exploded) to find out that you cannot safely transport PLEX and skill injectors on autopilot across our space. Or that podding is not, in fact, a bannable offense in highsec. The lamentations closely resembled your OP.

So don't feel like you have been treated unequally. All persons who mine, haul, mission or just fly across New Order systems (those with sec status between .5 and 1.0) are equally subject to the Code and have paid just as high a price for not meeting its requirements. Its been going on for four years now and isn't about to abate. You can see from the butt-hurt on display by other commenters in this thread alone that the impact has been widespread albet not yet sufficient to convince the really dumb.

You can follow the advice of those who have chosen to permanantly wreck their productivity and fly a Skiff or Procurer (As an aside, you people who do are fooling no one. We know you only do it because you actually fear us so its a victory for us anyway) or you can try and move where we aren't (which means lowsec, null or a wh (ALTHOUGH we've been known to come get particularly defiant rebels even there) or you can do the smart thing. Buy a permit and follow the Code.

10 million ISK is much less than the cost of a Retriever much less three of them even in miner math.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#46 - 2016-05-13 18:12:18 UTC
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Let's see:
- AFK Mining in a retrieve-
- Not docking up while afk
- Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death)
- Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up

You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad.


Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up


Solution:
1. DO NOT AFK
2. Learn to Dscan
3. DO NOT AFK
4. Fit a tank (hint: retrievers are bad at it)
5. DO NOT AFK
6. Set known gankers to -10
7. DO NOT AFK
8. Dock up when you want to afk not stay on the belt to be a target for cats
9. DO NOT AFK
10. Team up with other like-minded players (that don't afk mine and whine about dying when they get ganked)
11. DO NOT AFK

There's your solution. It aint hard m8 I even made an alt to mine my way into a bloody rhea. Did I forget to say that DO NOT AFK when undocked? I think I didn't say it hard enough.


DONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIE



Jeezuz....you need to get laid


no you do, a few times, while you're doing that,, don't go AFK Roll
Terra Universum
Probe Launcher Offline
#47 - 2016-05-13 18:28:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Terra Universum
People of the forums... Realize that a lot of people play Eve for other reasons than the actual game play.

Do you think people mine in high sec because the isk is good? Please... They mine there because mining is a very relaxing actvivity and just chilling in space with the great visuals of the mining lasers.

Like someone once said, mining is the BEST screen saver ever.

You have OP here, just wants to mine and relax and just CHILL. Make concord respond faster, because Ops style of gameplay is not really about crappy hi sec isk, it's about the experience of being in an asteroid belt with the beautiful visuals and simply enjoying eve.


EDIT: Remember the days when you could hide the UI and just mine? Yeah, you cant do that anymore. There are plenty of activities that require attention and detail, mining isn't one of them. Let it remain what is always was... Relaxing... Chill....
Trader20
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2016-05-13 19:25:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Trader20
What kind of tank are you fitting, buffer or active, are you overheating? Do you know what ships they normally fly (fit for that resist). Are you checking local? Are you staying aligned to a safe spot?

You could try moving to new space or get a cloaked falcon alt and jam them up or a logi alt and rr until concord arrives or just get a fast locking alt ship and piggyback on their concord km's for the lul's.

If you see them in system dock up and fit an extra beefy tank for your mining ship and bait them. Nothing funnier then a failed attempt at suicide ganking.

And please never pay other players anything ever ransoms/ permits/ etc and also like the others have said afk while undocked is a death sentence.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#49 - 2016-05-13 23:09:34 UTC
OP:

Suggestions #1: All you have to do is use a tanked Procurer or Skiff when you are going to AFK mine as mentioned above.

Semi-AFK is the only way I ever mined and I was never ganked. I use to casually mine with my Procurer in an Ice belt while Code was ganking a retriever. One time in an ore belt I came back to find two catalysts wrecks laying beside my Procurer. The only time I ran for safety is when Loyalanon came by with his 10 man crew - it was impressive to witness the skill & precision they operated with.

Suggestion #2: Embrace the idea that ganking is actually good for the Eve eco-system. The cat and mouse makes game play much more interesting & exploding ships helps create the demand that industrialists supply (you included with the ore price).


P.S. I loved mining with a Orca support. The leadership skills are maybe not worth it, but I later moved the character into a strategic cruiser booster and then a command ship - so it's not necessarily wasted training time. Plus an Orca is very useful for relocating or hauling.

P.P.S. Look into mining missions if you really want to maximize AFK.




Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2016-05-13 23:57:40 UTC
Trader20 wrote:
What kind of tank are you fitting, buffer or active, are you overheating? Do you know what ships they normally fly (fit for that resist). Are you checking local? Are you staying aligned to a safe spot?

You could try moving to new space or get a cloaked falcon alt and jam them up or a logi alt and rr until concord arrives or just get a fast locking alt ship and piggyback on their concord km's for the lul's.

If you see them in system dock up and fit an extra beefy tank for your mining ship and bait them. Nothing funnier then a failed attempt at suicide ganking.

And please never pay other players anything ever ransoms/ permits/ etc and also like the others have said afk while undocked is a death sentence.



EFT even crashes because it refuses to load such a fit.
[Retriever, Aucturis Arbosa's Retriever]
100mm Steel Plates II
Mining Laser Upgrade I
Type-D Restrained Nanofiber Structure

Medium Shield Booster I

Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I

Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I
Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I

This one is more sane even if he died.
[Retriever, Aucturis Arbosa's Retriever]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Survey Scanner II

Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I

Medium Drone Durability Enhancer I

But seriously the moment the cats land and you're on grid with them in those retrievers you already failed.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#51 - 2016-05-14 00:04:11 UTC
HoleySheet1...have you been reincarnated as a miner?!

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Gurista Nerfed
Doomheim
#52 - 2016-05-14 00:16:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Gurista Nerfed
1 alliance, 240+ active wars currently. That's just wrong.
Wrong thread, sue me.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2016-05-14 01:36:39 UTC
Have you ever been so mad at "griefing" wardeccers that you posted on the wrong thread? I know I did!

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#54 - 2016-05-14 02:10:28 UTC
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
So I've been away from the game for over a year. Just got back into it and I've been TRYING to mine to build up some money. Unfortunately I've discovered the new "Hotness" in EVE....Asteroid Squatting. When did it become fashionable to absolutely gank a lowly mining rig...in Hi Sec areas and then scream at you for not paying for a mining contract? Ugh

I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back.

Time to look for new game I suppose?





You were not told about the ganking mini-game apparently.

CCP was a little short in resources so they asked the players for help. It was the best we could come up with.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#55 - 2016-05-14 02:18:40 UTC
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
Captain Stupid wrote:
He could always buy a permit Twisted
Well I COULD, but I've been told and have seen people get blasted even when they had one.....so I'd rather just not.
It would be more uplifting to buy an elephant, park it near your computer, and let him pee on your head every five minutes.

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
etgfrogs
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2016-05-14 02:52:48 UTC
Mining is the same as its been. Don't mine in 0.5 systems. Don't mine within 5 jumps of jita. If your going to afk mine then fit a damage control unit on a retriever. If your paranoid about gankers, avoid the top and bottom of the list of asteroid belts.

The main thing that happened it that it became popular to use destroyers to solo kill miners. There is also the recent thing of mining corporations have looked into removing competition to increase prices which will increase their yield.
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2016-05-14 04:15:40 UTC
Hey Mr. OP - here's a protip: if you fly T1, you didn't actually lose anything! Insurance completely covers your loss - the ore is worthless and so are the modules. Accept it as a fact of life (and a mostly avoidable hazard at that!)

While you complain it's gone up I rather feel it's gone down somewhat.

Welcome back to EvE Big smile
Pix Severus
Empty You
#58 - 2016-05-14 04:36:17 UTC
Terra Universum wrote:
Make concord respond faster, because Ops style of gameplay is not really about crappy hi sec isk, it's about the experience of being in an asteroid belt with the beautiful visuals and simply enjoying eve.


Just one more nerf, right?

Ganking in highsec has been nerfed, repeatedly, for years now, but it will never be enough for some of you.

I implore you, find another game, and stop trying to ruin ours.

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#59 - 2016-05-14 06:05:58 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:


I implore you, find another game, and stop trying to ruin ours.



Sounds to me like CCPs newest patch ideology of "wreck their game" is hitting home on yours?RollTwisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Aucturis Arbosa
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2016-05-14 11:47:11 UTC
RabbitX wrote:
Anyone found purchasing a permit will be ganked on site.


I will never purchase.....RESISTANCE!