EVE General Discussion

Already can fly all T1 industrials on all my toons, however they are more vulnerable to ganking which is part of the meta game. Yes of course I have those out of the way missions hubs, or I go to Stain and muck around there.

For a start you still have locator agents and its quite easy to start looking at a killboard to get a view of when a person logs in and is generally active. Makes only a limited difference to hunting if people are really hunting.

Still I cannot currently disrupt them, those that camp Jita undock yes...

Why should he have to stop training so u can kill him n make him log off n be happy about it?

Get a clue

This was mistake number 1. You can be mining in null in a prospect within a few hours or your 1st log in. You can be ratting Forsaken Hubs in null in a survivable tech1 fit faction drone Navy Vexor in less than a week. And that's just pve space stuff, you can pvp perfectly well in a Tristan or Kestral or Griffin or some other useful ship within that 1st week as well. Hell, if you are willing to drop a one time amount of 20 bucks for a plex for skill injectors, you can be doing stuff it took the rest of us a month to start doing. Faction Warfare is a great option, and you don't even have to fight (I have an alt in FW and all I do is mission and run the F away real fast lol).

High sec is a trap. I wasted my 1st whole year of EVE there, I only go back for short breaks to run Incursions. It's 13% of EVE space and 100% of the bullshit. Outside of it, people learn that losses mean nothing, ships are mere tools and fun is to be had because you don't have to put up with the nonsense that comes as the price for NPC space police.

Most of the complaining on this forum has something to do with high sec (be it ganking or scamming or bumping or wardecs, all non-issues outside of high sec). The rest of the complaining is crying from the anti-afk cloaker crowd, which consists of people in null who want to pretend they are still in high sec (and never should have left it)...

I am contractually obliged by my alliance to end this post with the words "Dreddit is recruiting"

My point was that a newbie has got a LOT to learn, and when you have only a few mills (like under 20m tops) you CANNOT afford to pvp just yet, getting your resists and dps right, ranges and fallofs, ammunition, tanking skills, capacitor skills, gunnery / missile skills and so on...

Now add the fact that whenever a newb will hear an industrial brag about how he mines a few billions every day (not mentioning that he's multiboxing tons of perfectly trained toons) he's going to waste a week or two training industry just to find out that it takes both a lot of money and skill to start properly, because your tech 1 missiles are going to be produced at a loss...

Then it's the turn of the trader to brag about how awesome he is at setting up his bot and lea... TRADING.. so the newbie will lose yet another week or two trying to make big isks trading (dunno how it works now with a very low capital, but it was kind of "okay" for newbies a few years ago, their margin were just in the "meh" area) - just to realize that once more: skills, and LOTS of cash to make up for your newbie mistakes.

Then comes the incursion PVEr that brags about how he makes 150m an hour using a battleship - the newb will then proceed to rush into a BS that he cannot fly properly, get handed the required fit and get their jaw to drop at the required training time...

And so on and so forth...

A truly curious newbie that is enthusiastic about what eve has to offer will losea lot of time before finding his way... And the duty of high sec should be to be SAFE ENOUGH to ensure that newbies can find their way before moving on to low / null / wars / WHs

People like me help with advice, free ships, free skillbooks, free implants and free iskies ... But if I were to live in high sec there would be no way in hell I'd make anywhere NEAR as much money as I do in null sec (small time prod: 300-500m a day depending on the mood and courier contracts, ratting in a maxed carrier with T2 fighters: ~150m/h - and I know many players make FAR more) - so I wouldn't be able to just gift hundreds of mills of free stuff to newbies every week in high....

Less profit = less risk, right? Well then why is it that my girlfriend is so much safer in null? We do have lots of people like me who enjoy good fights for the hek of it and it makes the area safer (can also lure reds tho), but that's not the only reason. Yet null requires to have at least a few weeks of training sp-wise... SO GIVE THEM THE TIME THEY NEED... Stop forcing PVP onto players who cannot even fit a proper tank ("oooh shiny module, i'll fit it there and see what it does :D"), and don't tell me they'll learn from their mistakes because they don't even have the ISK yet to buy the many ships and fits that it requires... And even if they did they can't compete sp-wise.

So yeah, I really enjoy PVP, but high-sec wars against corps filled with newbies isn't PVP, it's griefing - at least code sends us already trained miners into 0.0 (they either do that or ragequit anyway) where they can live happily - but wardecs? They can't even go to 0.0 yet ...

Gotta do the groceries so i'll stop here, but... One can't say that the dec system is "fine" as it is.

Not sure how she'd take the whole "getting wrecked by a PVP carrier" thing x).

I do agree that for some people being thrown right away into 0.0 content (fail horribly and have a good laugh with corpmates on TS "you did WHAT?! :')") is the best way to do things, it's even how I started (my proud dominix couldn't break the rat's tank in belts T_T) - but for your regular MMO player eve is so overwhelming that they do need heavy protection at the start in my opinion.

Then again all I want is to protect the newbies until they become autonomous - and from experience they always end up doing so as long as you pique their interest with stuff that looks "dangerous" (many years ago, I started a corp - filled it with carebears and newbies, funded everything even pvp ships when decced - we got rekt by the way :') - found an empty C1 with HS static and set up a POS in it so that they could get a taste of the type of space in which you can make a lot of money from a newbie's standpoint, and more importantly "SURPRISE! YOU'RE DEAD" type of gameplay - well, guess what? They LOVED it, despite the numerous *pops* that ended up happening - but once again they weren't forced) - later on we started roaming in low - and in the end we ended up in providence which is probably the best null for newbies. Yet they were free to remain in HS if they didn't feel up to the challenge. Many of them are now in GSF not giving a **** and pvp-ing whenever they can. They are my best ennemies :).

I'm just against forcing newbies to fight against forces they can't do anything against (or at least much) when the deccer doesn't even truly give a S since he's deccing dozens of corps at once.


People that have 5 years worth of SP and still decide to remain in HS tho ... I couldn't care less, I don't look down on them, to each it's own, it's just that they should know how to fight back and avoid stupid losses by now ... If not ... time to learn... After all those griefers never set foot in low and null, for they are just that: griefers, preying on the weak. They have no interest in real PVP where both sides are happy to find an opponent.

Maybe you're right, sheltering newbies makes them weak whiny carebears (what are deccers tho...) - but from personnal experience, the right kind of sheltering make them fall in love with eve.

I agree with this...

I've spent most of my time in EVE doing PvE, primarily in a solo corp with me, myself and I.

It's already virtually trivial to just leave HS for a week, even doing PvE. EVE is huge, you can always find systems to do what you want that's out of reach of wardeccers. Hell, as an experiment I once sent the system I was operating in to a corp that wardecced me daily, and that simply refused to leave highsec.

Just set up shop with one JC in an empty lowsec pocket, use wormholes to PvE it up in low, null, WHs, don't go AFK and wardecs are a non-issue.

What pointing out your incorrect interpretation of that study, or adjusting your offensive name to be a joke on your posting?

You are right that the study is a tad missused, it regards rookies getting ganked in their first 15 days and isnt actually as aplicable as some think, however its hardly much of a stretch to see how it might be relevant.

I don't have the data, I was more focussed on the casual players in hisec who were a couple of months to two years old who were the real issue losing 36m or 220m ships which they had spent many boring mining hours grinding too. How you can equate that to a 15 day old toon in a cheap ISK ship still escapes me. Yes someone getting ganked in the first 15 days will likely stay in the game, but that is not where the issue is.

On the face of it I would not disagree with this point about a game which is hard in its entirity showing people taht at the begining(but not the RL one), but you often only take part of the story, the player said that the young lady needed to get to a point to compete, and in such a game new players who do not have a large credit card or the help of a lot of injectors are at a huge disadvantage against older very high SP players that do the war decs have multiple accounts and bling ships. All they end up being is cannon fodder with not a chance in hell. Perhaps one or two times its fun, but if it keeps happening then without a certain mental strength many people will give up and that is how Eve loses new players. How to get the right balance is key to the war dec system, in effect clubbing a baby seal to death is not going to build character in that seal...

But then again I am a child, bawaaaaaah.