Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is so frustrating when you forget a 0 in your price and you instantaneously sell to buy orders... This shouldn't happen.

I don't understand why we don't have a confirmation when this happen when the opposite exist ? When you try to place a buy order for 10x the prices you are warned "The price you have chosen is 623,46 % above regional average. Are you sure you want to enter this order?"

Your answer might be redundant as well then. The feature is a legitimate demand that would help a lot of people. And there is no reason why this have not been implemented yet.

And if you think I don't double check prices before I enter an order, you are wrong. I even enabled the warning after each order. I'm not drunk either or tired. But when you enter an order 2.209.000.000 is really easily confused with 220.900.000

Ok so, please explain to me why this feature exist ingame for setting up buy orders ? Shouldn't we remove it then ? Why is there a "safety net" in one way but not the other ?

I also used the search function and obviously I found a lot of similar topic. But none of them had a response from a dev

Ok then remove every warning ingame, eve is too easy right ? Way to think backward.

I never seen a single piece of advertisement from CCP describing EVE as "hardcore" and "punishing to the lazy and dumb". This idea is being carried out by elitist people that think something different is always bad.

You didn't bring a single argument to prove that this idea would be bad for the game. It doesn't make it harder to lose a lot of money, it make it frustrating. and eventually people leave because of this. CCP made a lot of improvements to the interface to make it more appealing and warnings are a part of it. For example for a long time it was suggested to add a warning when you push the "reset quickbar" button, and it was finally implemented. On top of this warnings are not mandatory and eventually you can disable them if they really annoy you.

And your comparison with cars, wtf did you smoke before posting this ? It's literally comparing oranges to dogs. But maybe you want EVE to look something like this : https://i.imgur.com/WCiw6x4.jpg ? You need a time machine buddy

Advertised as such, no. However, it is the common consensus of gamers who know what's what, that this is true.


You didn't bring a single argument that wasn't "OMAGERD!!!! CCP, save me from myself!!!"

Seriously, why is it such a difficult concept for people to understand? Double check your numbers before you hit OK. Anyone with a single iota of sense does this IRL all the time. You double check the totals at the store to make sure you didn't get overcharged. The store doesn't do this for you, it's up to you. You get statements so you can make sure there's no extra charges on your credit card. The bank doesn't do the comparison for you, it's up to you.

There doesn't need to be more warnings to keep you from ******* up. You just need to use your brain something more than filling the void between your ears.

You've played since 2005 and still unable to see the difference between 200.000.00 and 2.000.000.00?

No.

The game doesn't need any more hand-holding mechanics.

The sale order window clearly states your total expected income for the sale order in big green numbers below a complete breakdown of transaction tax and broker fee expenses for setting up that order. Read them before confirming your order.

If you hadn't tried to make a sale order in the hundreds of millions in just .5 of a second, you wouldn't have lost your ISK.

If someone PvP'ing makes a mistake and mis-clicks a module, they die.

If someone manufacturing makes a mistake and mis-clicks in the industry window, they waste either their time or their ISK.

If someone hauling makes a mistake and gets blown up with their valuable cargo, they lose significant ISK.

Selling in the market incurs no risk beyond what your own laziness and stupidity allow; you are entitled to nothing.

This is not a "hand-holding mechanics". This is an improvement of an already existing interface. It's simple to understand, If I try to place a Buy Order for 10x the price then it warns me : https://i.imgur.com/iXbzXKa.png

It have nothing to do with PVP, this have plenty of warnings (security level/warning at low sec gates)

It have nothing to do with manufacturing, I have no idea how you can miss click the manufacturing window, and I do plenty of it.

It have nothing to do with hauling, I have no idea how you make mistake hauling stuff. Please enlight me, if someone haul B worth of stuff in Niarja this is not a mistake, this is bad judgement, and if eventually you get destroyed here, then you can say your experience improved

Can someone here please tell me their real reason why they don't want this feature in ? And please stop with the "EVE is to ez" nonsense.



So far the only argument that have been proposed is that it would make the game too easy, it wouldn't in my opinion.

It's not a question of making Eve "too easy," it's about feature-creep.

Adding a selling price safety-net feature to the game now will mean that the argument will be open to add (for example) a buy price below-region-average restriction feature tomorrow. If the game mechanics dictate where a player's orders should "sit" according to an average, could the market truthfully be described as "player-driven?"

Aside from Eve being a massive single-instance universe, Eve's complex and player-driven market is arguably the core feature of the game. It's unique selling point.

And it's because Eve's market is structured around Capitalist ideals. Each player is a private entity working for profit. Your accidental under-pricing of your Skill Extractors has netted several players a significant profit. This is absolutely within the parameters of Eve's game design.

For example, if CCP wanted to cap potential losses for their players either making the wrong choice, or just plain bad luck, then there would be no loot drop mechanic on ship destruction. All your stuff would be safe in your inventory, waiting at your home station.

But there isn't such a safety-net.

Why? Because CCP has designed the Eve universe around a player-driven market. A market that exists within a bubble between ISK fountains (NPC bounties, mining, Project Discovery, etc.) and ISK sinks (the loot fairy, rigs & implants, NPC taxes, etc.).

If you want to, you can petition CCP. Other such incidents have seen players reimbursed. But at least try to understand why this is allowed to happen. I hope I haven't made a hash of attempting to explain it!