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What The H-E-Double Hockey Sticks Happened to Mining?
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Aucturis Arbosa
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2016-05-13 04:03:05 UTC
So I've been away from the game for over a year. Just got back into it and I've been TRYING to mine to build up some money. Unfortunately I've discovered the new "Hotness" in EVE....Asteroid Squatting. When did it become fashionable to absolutely gank a lowly mining rig...in Hi Sec areas and then scream at you for not paying for a mining contract? Ugh

I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back.

Time to look for new game I suppose?
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#2 - 2016-05-13 04:12:43 UTC
LOL Mining ganking has been around for a very long time. And if youve only been gone a year and you dont know this you are either trolling or immensely stupid/lucky to have not met with this treatment before.Twisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-05-13 04:14:59 UTC
Killing is just a means of communication.

Nothing bad in communicating.

Actually if you want to make ISK mining, then out of highsec has advantages as long as you have the logistic capabilities to deliver to market. Mineral use was rebalanced a few months ago, making lowsec and nullsec ores more valuable than highsec ores.

Less communication happening if you are smart, and more ISK available.

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Aucturis Arbosa
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2016-05-13 04:23:43 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
LOL Mining ganking has been around for a very long time. And if youve only been gone a year and you dont know this you are either trolling or immensely stupid/lucky to have not met with this treatment before.Twisted


Guess I've been lucky because I'm not a Troll and I didn't play that much when I was playing a year ago....So lucky it is.
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#5 - 2016-05-13 04:25:50 UTC
-don't mine afk
-set Code. to red contacts
- fly a procurer

"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single)

"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind." (Einer, dem es egal ist)
Aucturis Arbosa
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2016-05-13 04:26:48 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Killing is just a means of communication.

Nothing bad in communicating.

Actually if you want to make ISK mining, then out of highsec has advantages as long as you have the logistic capabilities to deliver to market. Mineral use was rebalanced a few months ago, making lowsec and nullsec ores more valuable than highsec ores.

Less communication happening if you are smart, and more ISK available.



I've got the means to deliver, but I guess I don't have the smarts to build a decent mining rig that can bounce out of trouble when it comes my way. My last mining effort was in a low sec area and got away with the first pass. Next pass...not so much luck.
Aucturis Arbosa
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-05-13 04:29:55 UTC
Mark O'Helm wrote:
-don't mine afk
-set Code. to red contacts
- fly a procurer



Sometimes I GOT to do my laundry....perfect time for AFK mining....

So how in the Hell do I set Code? Don't even know what that means honestly. I was using a Retriever for Hi Sec and the lowly Venture for Hi Sec....since that seems to be more profitable for less ore...and time in the "Hot Zone"
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-05-13 04:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Yang Aurilen
Let's see:
- AFK Mining in a retrieve-
- Not docking up while afk
- Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death)
- Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up

You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#9 - 2016-05-13 04:47:52 UTC
Search for "Code." in contacts. It's the main high-sec suicide ganker alliance. Add them to your contacts and set them to -10 or red. You will see, what i mean.

Afk playing is by many players not considered playing. In general remember "Adapt or die" and "Don't undock, what you cannot afford to loose."

Fly safe.

"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single)

"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind." (Einer, dem es egal ist)
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#10 - 2016-05-13 04:57:37 UTC
Don't let the tough boy responses fool you. Ganking miners as a sole activity for the unimaginative, and low achievers has become a mainstay - and I daresay, the most active activity in EVE now.

I suggest miners stop mining. Let the shelves run out of goods. No. Wait. The "large alliances" with a lock on thing$ will just keep mining and funding (it's CODE for...meh, who cares?)

Become a miner ganker yourself perhaps? It may be more challenging to watch them unload produce at the local Publix.

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Galaxxis
The Regency
The Monarchy
#11 - 2016-05-13 05:02:43 UTC
Returns on high-sec mining are already so crappy, I'm not sure why anyone would even bother ganking these miners. It's like beating up a homeless person because they're pan handling.
Aucturis Arbosa
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2016-05-13 05:03:14 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Let's see:
- AFK Mining in a retrieve-
- Not docking up while afk
- Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death)
- Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up

You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad.


Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up
Pix Severus
Empty You
#13 - 2016-05-13 05:05:29 UTC
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past?


Almost, thankfully.

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Aucturis Arbosa
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2016-05-13 05:05:37 UTC
Sustrai Aditua wrote:
Don't let the tough boy responses fool you. Ganking miners as a sole activity for the unimaginative, and low achievers has become a mainstay - and I daresay, the most active activity in EVE now.

I suggest miners stop mining. Let the shelves run out of goods. No. Wait. The "large alliances" with a lock on thing$ will just keep mining and funding (it's CODE for...meh, who cares?)

Become a miner ganker yourself perhaps? It may be more challenging to watch them unload produce at the local Publix.


What I'm thinking about is taking my Typhoon out to where I got ganked....cloak and wait for those 2 a-holes to show back up in their frigates....
Aucturis Arbosa
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2016-05-13 05:06:53 UTC
Galaxxis wrote:
Returns on high-sec mining are already so crappy, I'm not sure why anyone would even bother ganking these miners. It's like beating up a homeless person because they're pan handling.


Yep....that's about it
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2016-05-13 05:08:30 UTC
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Let's see:
- AFK Mining in a retrieve-
- Not docking up while afk
- Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death)
- Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up

You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad.


Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up


Solution:
1. DO NOT AFK
2. Learn to Dscan
3. DO NOT AFK
4. Fit a tank (hint: retrievers are bad at it)
5. DO NOT AFK
6. Set known gankers to -10
7. DO NOT AFK
8. Dock up when you want to afk not stay on the belt to be a target for cats
9. DO NOT AFK
10. Team up with other like-minded players (that don't afk mine and whine about dying when they get ganked)
11. DO NOT AFK

There's your solution. It aint hard m8 I even made an alt to mine my way into a bloody rhea. Did I forget to say that DO NOT AFK when undocked? I think I didn't say it hard enough.


DONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIE

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Black Pedro
Mine.
#17 - 2016-05-13 05:11:31 UTC
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:

I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back.

Time to look for new game I suppose?
Eve is full time, PvP sandbox experience. I am not sure why you think you should be able to go out into space, and gather resources with no risk to your self. You wouldn't start a Call of Duty match and then go wander off to do your laundry and feel entitled to have not been shot by other players.

But really, CCP has given you two mining ships, the Procurer and Skiff, that are so uneconomical and tough to gank that even the New Order rarely does so. If you cannot pay attention to your highsec mining, just accept the trade offs these ships have and use their massive defenses to play the game AFK.

Eve is a multiplayer game. If you find yourself continually losing to other players you should consider adapting and changing something. In your case you either need to pay more attention or change your fit although my real recommendation is to find another way to make ISK entirely. Even under the best circumstances highsec mining does not pay well and there are plenty of other options out there.

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Aucturis Arbosa
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2016-05-13 05:11:55 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Let's see:
- AFK Mining in a retrieve-
- Not docking up while afk
- Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death)
- Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up

You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad.


Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up


Solution:
1. DO NOT AFK
2. Learn to Dscan
3. DO NOT AFK
4. Fit a tank (hint: retrievers are bad at it)
5. DO NOT AFK
6. Set known gankers to -10
7. DO NOT AFK
8. Dock up when you want to afk not stay on the belt to be a target for cats
9. DO NOT AFK
10. Team up with other like-minded players (that don't afk mine and whine about dying when they get ganked)
11. DO NOT AFK

There's your solution. It aint hard m8 I even made an alt to mine my way into a bloody rhea. Did I forget to say that DO NOT AFK when undocked? I think I didn't say it hard enough.


DONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIE



Jeezuz....you need to get laid
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-05-13 05:14:44 UTC
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Let's see:
- AFK Mining in a retrieve-
- Not docking up while afk
- Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death)
- Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up

You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad.


Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up


Solution:
1. DO NOT AFK
2. Learn to Dscan
3. DO NOT AFK
4. Fit a tank (hint: retrievers are bad at it)
5. DO NOT AFK
6. Set known gankers to -10
7. DO NOT AFK
8. Dock up when you want to afk not stay on the belt to be a target for cats
9. DO NOT AFK
10. Team up with other like-minded players (that don't afk mine and whine about dying when they get ganked)
11. DO NOT AFK

There's your solution. It aint hard m8 I even made an alt to mine my way into a bloody rhea. Did I forget to say that DO NOT AFK when undocked? I think I didn't say it hard enough.


DONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIE



Jeezuz....you need to get laid


Asks for solution, gets it and doesn't like said solution as it doesn't conform with his idea of a "solution" and therefore proceeds to insult said solution giver.

It's like you don't want to learn on how to play EVE and just want it to fit with your own concept on how EVE should be.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Aucturis Arbosa
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2016-05-13 05:16:52 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Aucturis Arbosa wrote:

I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back.

Time to look for new game I suppose?
Eve is full time, PvP sandbox experience. I am not sure why you think you should be able to go out into space, and gather resources with no risk to your self. You wouldn't start a Call of Duty match and then go wander off to do your laundry and feel entitled to have not been shot by other players.

But really, CCP has given you two mining ships, the Procurer and Skiff, that are so uneconomical and tough to gank that even the New Order rarely does so. If you cannot pay attention to your highsec mining, just accept the trade offs these ships have and use their massive defenses to play the game AFK.

Eve is a multiplayer game. If you find yourself continually losing to other players you should consider adapting and changing something. In your case you either need to pay more attention or change your fit although my real recommendation is to find another way to make ISK entirely. Even under the best circumstances highsec mining does not pay well and there are plenty of other options out there.



I HATE FPS games....It's not like I AFK all day long. The last 3 times I was at the keyboard. You just can't react fast enough to these guys. So the useful info I got out of this is Procurer and Skiff...Good to know. As for ISK generation, what would you suggest? I don't have a lot to start off with anyway, so Mining seems the logical choice for now.
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