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Ok, and if there are 30 other people in your fleet, they should be able to handle any fleet smaller than the point where they enemy fleet can swat carriers' fighters like flies. In such situations they could just shoot the fighters and probably still come out isk positive even if they don't kill many of you.

again its not that carriers are useless it's that there is no reason to use them over other tools. your gang drops a carrier to deal with my sub cap fleet. great now my fleet drops a dread. i can now either clear off your subs faster than you can clear mine then deal with you or i can kill you then refit to deal with the sub caps.

a dread does a carriers role better the only down side is it can't move for 5 min but a decent tackle will make sure the same is true for your carrier

even then though if you are up against a mobile fleet a carrier is not going to do well keeping up nor are it's fighters.

EDIT:

Also even for cruisers it is not easy to get under a dreads guns(assuming it has a propper support fleet) my nag can hit tackled cruisers for over 1k dps as close as 6km and that is with just one standard web tackling it and i'm back over 2k at 9km

Fighters have marginally better application than torps and cruise, respectively

Yes, which is why alpha logi is fking preposterous.


Happy? It wasn't even linked.

4 DDA, 4 FSU, 2 omni

TEN damage and application mods.

Still barely scratching it - look at the hits, that fit has over 8600 raw armor HP.


ed: linked the missiles hit for 320ish.

It was this

[Guardian, Guardian copy 1]
Damage Control II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Thermal Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II

Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster
10MN Afterburner II

Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II



I know it doesn't fit, but it was sisi, so mods needed to be T2 and reppers offline. The real TQ one is actually tankier.

Yeah, you gotta play with the pieces you have on sisi though

But I mean, the tank is pretty typical, if hobo.

What if we made the MWD charge based rather than cool down with an appropriate reload once docked. Would add a lot more choice for a carrier pilot about how far to extend his fighters as well the more it was used the more dpm you give up for reload.

Not really, the biggest problem with projecting fighters further from your carrier is that they die so easily.
Without the ability to warp, Light fighters are only viable within a reasonable recall range - Unless your prepared to spend hundreds of millions of isk and use it as ammo (once it is launched it is gone), which really isn't a viable approach when your fighters can make up more than half the cost of your ships fittings.

What seems most interesting right now, is that the price of light and superiority fighters both T1 and T2, is going up not down.
198 mil for a squad of T1 Satyr's
444 mil for a squad of T2 Satyr's
40 mil for a squad of T1 Firbolg's
139 mil for a squad of T2 Firbolg's

Even if those prices halve over time due to researched BPO's, they are still a disposable commodity required to field carriers.
Are those sort of prices going to encourage players to use an all but disposable ship (without lots of - somewhat effective - Triage to try and keep them alive) or will they just see less and less use?

Light Fighters are basically designed as "single use" modules - Their price should reflect this, even at 50% of current prices they are still to expensive to use in the way they have been designed.

Argue all you like the effectiveness or not of light fighters vs guardians, the costs associated with fielding carriers needs to come down A LOT.

CCP's presumption that all Eve players are rich and will willingly throw isk away, is wrong.

After playing around with a Super on TQ; A light fighter with a limited range MJD ability, 50KM jump with 90 second cooldown.
With a zero spoolup time, would give them the ability to quickly move to engage a target. At more than 50 or 60K from the carrier, they just take too long to return so will often die before you can recall them - Is a decent trade off for the ability to engage quickly...

Building them yourself may be an option but right now, I'm not up for the 30 odd days of training to do that. Capital ship construction - For light fighters. Really?