EVE General Discussion

I would like to call upon the opinions of players, particularly PVP players with regards self-sufficiency. Be it your own corp’s or alliances doctrines which may be expensive, or when looking for a new corp and they announce that you must be self-sufficient in your isk making which essentially means no SRP. How do you efficiently make your ISK? I realise that is a question that none will answer in any detail but I’ll throw this post out there on the off chance.

Let say for example you want, or your corp doctrine dictates you have a ship that costs between 300m and 400m to buy and fit. Some people see that as pocket change, but for others it is quite an investment. How do you get to a level where that kind of expenditure is OK to do without thinking that you have to spend hours doing a random PVE task (mining, industry, ratting, exploration) in order to make that money back should the ship explode into a thousand pixels.

I have 2 accounts, with 6 toons and my main source of income is PI, I live in a WH so the planets are pretty good, that nets me between 800 / 900m a month gross, skim a bit off for poco taxes and other costs as well as time and I suppose I have about 750 to 850m per month in my wallet, now I do not PVP that much and if I do it tends to be in cheaper T1 cruisers.

But say I wanted to PVP in a ship costing 350m, if I lose 3 of those in a month (yeah I am bad at pvp) I am running at a loss. I don’t really rat anymore but when I did in null I was making maybe 50m a site inc salvaging, that would take maybe 20/25 minutes. So approx. 100m an hour, 3.5hours to make the isk to get the ship. It just seems like a lot of time to get the isk to get that level of ship.

Some people of course have good knowledge of markets and trade, some know how to research markets for industry, and there are of course other ways to make isk, and that my fellow capsuleers is what I am trying to discover.

I make 2.8b per month per account (3 toons 6 planets each all relevant PI skills at V)

You are doing PI wrong... It is my main income, and I do have more than 1 account as well...

Wow, yes indeed I am doing it very very wrong then, so you use only 18 planets in total where as I use 31 (1 toon with 6 and 5 toons with 5), most of my skills are at IV although have CC V on a few of them. I am gonna ask, but I expect no answer really, but hey, if you don't ask you don't get... if you ever get the urge to relay the "how" please feel free to mail me :)

* PI bores me and I try to spend as little time on it as I can, I on average 10 minutes per day a couple of times per week, weekends when I go to collect all the stuff it maybe 30/45 minutes, my figures that I am getting are between your examples

* Putting an alt elsewhere, that is an interesting concept, a couple of hiccups spring to mind. 1: what null sec entitiy would want an alt and not a main and 2: my alt would be part of the 6 toons I have which I need to do the PI for the P3 I am making. But one to think about for sure. EDIT: ohh and training, only my main can currently fly an Ishtar or any ship like that so some time training too.

* I personally do not use 350m ships for PVP, at least not solo, but I have seen people do so and was just using it as an example, but even a well fitted T3 Destroyer is the best part of 100m (least according to the KMs I see) so yeah more affordable but still not throwaway as such.

For new players though PI is viable, although high sec is pretty dire from what I hear.

Use your alts for exactly what they are trained for. Any additional SP gained can be sold at 300mil per injector.

Can confirm I use 5 SP Farms to fund my Solo PVP antics. Per week I earn roughly 1.5Bil. More than enough to cover my frigates and I'm getting better at PVP which means I loose less ships.

Come to think of it, I haven't earned money in two years...

How the hell do I do it!???

PvE not for me

Another option is to review the doctrine and see if there is a niche role you can fufill at a lower cost. For example, yes a HAC or BS may cost 500 mil and be a good addition to the front line. However, an interceptor or interdictor can be just as valuable but cost a fraction of the dps ship. Or you could opt to provide EWAR support in the form of a black bird or celestis.

Now granted, this may not work in all scenarios. The above suggest work for PvP but may not help in PvE. Still, in PvE a t1 logi cruiser may be a cheap and useful option you could use. An assault frig could take out smaller rats, letting the bigger ships focus on the larger ones.

In other words, don't assume there are not cheap options that could compliment existing comps. It just may be you have to find this niche.

I run PI in null, 3 toons to lvl IV total of 15 planets, and make around 2 bil a month, 30 minutes a day if I hustle. Go to t3 as it saves a lot of time hauling.

Dunno, if you wanna share though, feel free :)