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Defences on the middle station
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Pearl Necklace Badasaz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2016-05-01 23:47:57 UTC
I know it would be expensive, but possible for a person to afford the middle starbase... the xl is insane in price i would guess, but if one wanted to build the 2nd from biggest starbase in highsec and use it to sell things and as a staging location or whatnot, how defensible are they? Are we talking 100 battleships or hundreds to destroy one? Ths ofc is assuming the subcap defenses are installed and whatever else can be done for defense.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2016-05-02 01:09:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
You might want to start with the Damage Mitigation section, which has a nice table, but do read the whole thing:
Citadels, sieges and you v2

Keep in mind that a large = outpost-class. Common opinion seems to be that they are too secure for hisec.
Pearl Necklace Badasaz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2016-05-02 01:50:48 UTC
So for my interests thats good lol, wish i could afforf the biggest but i have a lil over 100b, i need isk after i buy and set one up to make up what i spend lol
Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#4 - 2016-05-03 06:24:12 UTC
Currently the citadels under construction are big fat targets for every corp that want a nice killlmail. Check the general section of the forum, there are at least 2 threads about citadel destruction.
From what I get you need about 10 BS + support to destroy a large citadel in high sec, if no fleet show to defend it.

Check the citadel running costs too.
Pearl Necklace Badasaz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2016-05-03 06:33:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Pearl Necklace Badasaz
Ya ive altered my plans lol... i had been considering opening a large for market stuff, not in jita...far from it... but maybe a minor trade hub.... as i seed nullsec as it is i woulda made it my base of operations, set up the best market i seed there, encourage others to join... then use the stuff from there to jump out to my markets in null and low.

After watching the boards this has been changed from plans in a few months to going on my... would be cool but wont do it list lol

Now to branch out and form new streams of revinue im considering production, probably caps...not the best profit but its something i always wanted to try but never had the start up isk, or was too busy doing something else.... i figure if i put say 20b into forming my cap construction efforts i can get a good start in it, well maybe a good start into one of the ships bpos lol.... but i can buy bpcs for the rest.... and most importantly, it leaves the vast majority of my funds alone allowing to still seed and maintain that income.

Hell one day maybe ill even build citadels... but probably not run one even then lol
Flex Carter
Caldari Independant Mining Association
#6 - 2016-05-06 18:47:09 UTC
Everyone is beginning to learn that a Citadels wasn't meant to be constructed by one-man Corps. Hell, a really small Corp will have a hard time defending it let alone a single player with alts.... For those who have one up, it's only a matter of time before they end up like the Great POCO bash-athon we had awhile back.

Soon, the novelty will wear off and most will fall back to their trusty Towers that are on borrowed time...
Pearl Necklace Badasaz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2016-05-06 20:16:31 UTC
itll be interesting what changes occur in the future.

I have no problem with citadels being only for the bigger corps, however I do have a problem with them eliminating POS's and pushing people into citadels... atm a smallish corp can maintain a POS without horrible issues, yes they can be blown up but it offers a force multiplier that actually allows a small corp at least defend itself somewhat, or make it an annoying prospect to take down the tower depending on how they have the defenses.

When those are eliminated and all that the corp has is either NPC station facilities or a citadel that frankly... a small corp simply can not defend... imo that is not a good step for eve, the point of eve is you can do what you want, if you want a small corp that is perfectly fine, if you want a big corp thats fine too... I am not in favor of ccp moving in a direction that forces small corps to move into bigger alliances or corps.

again I am not against blowing up citadels... I just would like to find a sweet spot that they are difficult to blow up, but not impossible.

Kyra Lee
Doomheim
#8 - 2016-05-07 03:36:20 UTC
I think being able to fit them while they are anchoring and being able to use the defenses in that first repair window would go a long way to allowing a small corp to use them. It wouldn't stop a dedicated force but would add a force multiplier to a small group of defenders.
Pearl Necklace Badasaz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2016-05-07 04:42:59 UTC
I heard the subcap launchers dont hurt the subcaps and that the fighters dont use bonus's so they are useless too
Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#10 - 2016-05-11 15:05:58 UTC
Flex Carter wrote:
Everyone is beginning to learn that a Citadels wasn't meant to be constructed by one-man Corps.


Quote:
Everyone who wants to use a structure, does: We want structures to be as widely used as possible, by removing artificial barriers or mechanics that may be in the way. This has to stay within a reasonable risk versus reward scope, of course, and as such the most rewarding structures should always be vulnerable to attack.


From https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/back-into-the-structure/

Since then I have railed against the changes and pointed out that contrary to this designated goal no mentally sane single person or small entity would use one of these new structures, as they are a pain to defend. I also predicted that afther the demise of POS towers low class wormholes will be empty.

It's little surprising my advice was not heeded. Also I will grant that in a few months time you might be able to set up a structure in lightly populated areas of highsec without losing it in the first vulnerability cycle as the novelty wears off. Still a single pilot or small corp can do better than putting up a giant loot pinata with a "shoot me" sign attached.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-05-11 15:29:43 UTC
Remember, that you will not be able to efficiently produce in the Citadels available today ... the new industry citadels will be different entities.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#12 - 2016-05-11 17:48:08 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Remember, that you will not be able to efficiently produce in the Citadels available today ... the new industry citadels will be different entities.

* Industrial Arrays for Fall
* Drilling Platforms for Winter
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-05-11 21:47:54 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
Remember, that you will not be able to efficiently produce in the Citadels available today ... the new industry citadels will be different entities.

* Industrial Arrays for Fall
* Drilling Platforms for Winter

Fall then ... not summer ... CCP Nullabor said, the new industrial rigs will also work with Citadels but if you want to manufacture for profit you have to use the Industrial Arrays.

I'm my own NPC alt.