Intergalactic Summit

Translation:

This is the dawning of the age of new Querious

Also...

Eating people is bad, so is torture, death to Amarr, something something something.... Soothsayer is a hell of a drug..

Um. If I'm reading this right, he's not even saying torture is "bad." This is more like a surrealist's guide to how to torture people responsibly.

So: ew?

The torturer's mind is never clear.

It is and always will be clouded with the belief pain permits clarity.

It doesn't, pain seeks to obfuscate and bewilder.
It is there to push the body to respond to what it, the body's animalistic urges, need. Which is to stop the pain, through voilent struggle or cries of anguish. It will attempt to flood the brain with sensory overload and try to force the brain to do anything to relieve the pain. Be it babble half truth's or blatant lies.

The minds job is to ignore pain and suppress the animalistic urges that the body desires, and use the body to complete the duty set by the mind.

Pain is fleeting. Duty is eternal.

The mere act of torture to obtain truth clouds lesser minds for it triggers the bodies defences. True the mind will retain control for those who understand the truth and hold to their duty, and whilst there may be hints of truth within the screams of the anguished, the true control of the mind set on duty allows the pain to flood and then flow through, whilst the mind remains in control and denies the torturer.

Torture of the weak belies a system that the believes the weak know truth.
Torture of the strong fails because the strong hold to truth and duty.
The belief that torture enlightens or improves the soul just enlightens those who torture to the capabilities of the weak to avoid pain, and the strong to withstand. There is no higher calling than duty, and no higher belief than the truth.

To be Caldari is to know the truth. To serve the Caldari is to know Duty.

That isn't torture.
I was watching the Amamake (this is a space alien that hasn't gotten to it's own timeline because it will be completed evolutionarily in 1-2 billion years. Their star has yet to coalesce.)
That is only the word My family was told to use with them.
They imagine they hold compounds and then tell everyone with terror that they will be rounded up.
These a mind slavers.
They do this in order to protect their own evolutionary cycles.
For billions of years.

I do not know whether realms exist after death because I am not one of these creatures.

Because I am a biological creature with a thinking mind.

I imagine I can get out of torture.

This mental process begets a strange cosmic process that some call

demonology
blood ritualism
paganism
incest
Anglicanism

I heard of a male Lioness too.

They build these temporal rifts where wonderers who are looking to disturb protected species fall.

Do not dig unawares on planets. They love to dwell as their star is not formed and frogs are fathomed to

-WARNING-

sentient life form associated with their hyper drive engines for faster than light speed...
jogging.
They really don't want to move that fast EVER!
Because they are frog lovers from Elsa Minor. A distant quadrant of space is called this thing I have spoken of.

ottout

There is more than one definition of the word 'amamake'
One is this of which you spoke.
The other is a smart ray from a burgeoning system or coalescing material.

It is smart in relation to it's own timeline.

It is ignorant of your own.

It also has no care for counting. It is associated with precognizant cosmic order. Yet it has not reached the point in time for it's relevancy.

It's very existence is "snow flakey"
anyway

fly safe

I don't suppose after reading that.... that. After reading that that, that anybody is interested in hearing the REAL reason why torture exists? What it can and cannot achieve, how it is used responsibly, and when it is used?

The reality is thoroughly educational, and it's a subject fraught with ignorance and mythology among the general public.

Im interested .

What about torture as means to coax an unwilling party into doing what he is reluctant to do for the benefit of the torturer?

Torture used as a weapon, takes time and considerable effort on the behalf of the torturer.

The victim would need to be of exceptionally significant value in the eyes of the torturer. But subversion is considerably more destructive and infinitely more subtle than torture.

Torture relies on fear, it relies on "the pain I'm inflicting now is nothing compared to the pain I will inflict if you don't do ......."

It can be used to 'turn' people but the problem is it's not an exact science. It's messy and complicated. Push to hard, victim snaps. Push to weak, victim isn't conditioned enough and can break free.

Subversion on the other hand is insidious, It creates the impression that the victim is the one in control, he's the one in power, he's the helper, the enabler and the one who is needed. (the use of He is not that males are weaker, just that I type from the male context)

It's not tied to fear, but to greed, lust, power, Iskies, companionship, friendship, reliance etc... this makes it so much more versatile.....

This is exactly what I need to address. Your reply speaks to the very heart of all the myths about what torture is and why it's done. You see, you would be entirely and completely correct, if torture worked that way.... which it doesn't.

The problem is that everybody, and I do mean everybody, has had their perception of how interrogation and torture work tainted by how those activities are usually portrayed in a dramatic context for entertainment. The holoreels, fiction series, books, audio plays, theatre productions and electronic games have all universally got it badly wrong. So let me be clear:

1: Dramatic interrogation is not only inaccurate, it's insane.

I can see why the writers choose to depict it as they do, of course. It's all very entertaining, the clash of wills, the shouting and intensity and the opportunity for makeup and special effects to rough up the actor for the camera. It's all very much more thrilling than the reality.

Real interrogation would make for decidedly less gripping fiction.

All of the objections you raised are completely accurate. If the detainee was blubbering for his life, being beaten in the head, having his fingers broken and so on then the intelligence thus gathered is going to be dubiously reliable at best.

Intelligence operatives know this. And intelligence operatives are interested in the truth. Which means they're not interested in the holoreel way of doing it.

The specifics vary from culture to culture of course, but they all follow broadly the same pattern and philosophy, which is laid down quite succinctly in THIS FIELD MANUAL [Link]

I'll summarize below.

2: The chief weapons of an interrogator are boredom and loneliness.

The detainee is isolated. Their cell should be small, featureless, and devoid of any item with which they might either entertain or harm themselves. The light should be dim enough to permit sleep, but bright enough to make said sleep restless. There should be no way for the detainee to keep track of the time.

Meals should be filling and nutritious, but bland and delivered with no apparent routine. The detainee should be removed from their cell for exercise and ablutions at least twice a day, but again there should be no clear schedule or routine to this. The point is for the detainee to become confused and disoriented about how long they have been detained. Their cell should be a limbo in which the passage of time is impossible to record or track.

The guards should be courteous, efficient, and utterly trustworthy. They absolutely must not abuse the detainee either verbally or physically. When the detainee is led from their cell to the ablutions block, to the exercise yard, or to the interrogation room, they must do so blindfolded and shackled so that they cannot build a mental image of where those spaces are in relation to one another. Their guides in this shackled and sensory-deprived state are the guards, and those guards must be utterly trustworthy in ensuring that the prisoner does not trip or fall. A betrayal of the detainee's reliance and faith in them can badly undo the interrogation process, and take a long time to repair.

That said, the guards must also not form any kind of a personal relationship with the detainee. They should speak clearly to give orders, never address the detainee by name, and clearly announce A: what the detainee should do and B: what they will do.

"Detainee: Please kneel with your ankles crossed and your hands on top of your head."
"Detainee: Please comply. If you do not, we will be forced to restrain you."
"Detainee: This is your last warning. Please comply or we will restrain you for your own safety."

That kind of thing. The act of restraining should be immediate, efficient, implacable and safe.

This impersonal and utterly reliable touch is so important that many facilities use drones rather than human guard, just to add another layer of faceless inhumanity to the whole process.

And so the detainee spends their time. No human contact, no entertainment, no stimulation. Bored and lonely, with only one source of relief.

(Continued in part 2 below)