Market Discussions

Of course the margins will widen....but at the same time less people will sell into buy orders (especially on the larger ISK items).

Lets say pre patch that a 50M SO had a 47M BO price. Now that same item may normalize at 45M BO. Even though the margins are similar with the extra ISK sink, mentally it is still a much larger gap between the 2 and the seller will have a higher chance of posting the SO.

Trading, by nature, was one of the few ways to earn decent ISK without contributing to inflation. Congratulations CCP on helping drive more players to ISK faucet professions.

Seriously, but there are a few part missing:
1) the stuff stay in transit for a week (I think it will appear in that new "safety" column in assets);
2) it is free of charge if moved to another citadel owned by the "same entity"
3) if they are delivered to a NPC station the items are impounded, you must pay 10% of the market price to get them back. You can cherry pick what you buy back and leave some of the items for later.
4) the impounded items will last forever, so, if a citadel is destroyed when you are unsubbed you can recover them when you return.
5) That security don't work in a whormhole (no idea of what happen if there is a second citadel in the 'hole)

All the above assume there hasn't been some major change in the last days before release.

Without that kind of security I doubt that the citadels markets would see much trade.

Where are you getting the 105 of the market price from? If that's the case, it would be cheaper to just buy new What I'd last read was that it was 10% of the market value, not 105%

I would not have said it better ! This is exactly what I feel. I just play 2 months a year now and it's enough to disgust me from playing. I don't like this feeling to be forced to act in a way dictated by sociopathic hating guys. This "Sandbox" label is pointless imo

EDIT : first post from me in 2 years, and probably before another bunch of years.

I probably should have realized that on my own, sorry lol

So I noticed yesterday in Perimeter the first 2 citadels being deployed, and one corp got itself in war already at the same time, so I was looking which alliances and corps declared war against them.
So one alliance with the name Public-Enemy was included in them....
Public-Enemy, one of the same alliances that declared war against me some time ago when I was telling people about market trading bots in Jita.
And I went to take a look more at the corp/alliance that had deployed their citadel and Public-Enemy has put aggression against.
So this is what their leader has written this in his bio:

Listen only to the sound of my voice.
Let your mind relax
Let your thoughts drift
Let the bad memories fade
Let peace be upon you
Surrender yourself to your dreams
Let them wash over you like the gentle waves of the bluest ocean
Let them envelop you. Comfort you

Imagine somewhere calm
Imagine somewhere safe
Imagine yourself in a frozen forest
You're standing in a clearing
Trees around you so tall, they touch the sky
Pure white snowflakes fall all around
You can feel them melt on your skin
You are not cold
It cannot overcome the warmth of your beating heart
Can you hear it?
You only have to listen

You hear it slowing?
You're slowing it
You are in control
Calm. At peace

So I am like well, I don't believe this dude is suffering from mental problems to say the least.

But anyway, to get to the point, someone deployed their structure in high-sec space, none is forced to enter it, it does no harm to the environment or whatsoever, so what happens next.
For example public enemy goes to CONCORD, and asks them, 'can we go to war with'.
CONCORD says yes, you are allowed to kill them all and everything of it, and we won't interfere with your business.

So what is the point of CONCORD here? other than you have to ask/say it first before you want to do what you want

To come to the conclusion here, I see some normal people creating their business probably in a peaceful way I guess, and than a certain group of people don't want that to be allowed to happen for whatever reason that may be.

It is really clear to me that CCP has created an environment where sociopathic people have the opportunity to ruin the basic fun of people for the game they pay for, and creating a environment where being delusional, sociopathic, perverted, or full of hate is nothing out of the ordinary.

In all honesty, in my opinion, whoever the people at CCP are that are responsible for creating this environment and sometimes even encouraging this by implanting certain mechanics, you guys are incompetent f**ks, and retarbed.
You guys should be fired for ruining the service of CCP and preventing some serious potential bulk cashflow for the company over the years.

Note DUST 514, that game won't even pass the quality department at Electronic Arts, only for it's sound that turmoil your head, there are like 20 different atmospheric and environment sounds all at the same time that plays in a constant loop, the argument for that allowing to happen was probably; " that's alien ", I couldn't even play that game with sound ON.

Few days ago a virus was detected by my security inside my eve files when I was starting eve up, the maintenancetool.exe was recognized as the ' Trojan.MSIL.Coinstealer.hb '.
I have made a ticket for the heads up in case CCP is distributing corrupted files by accident, after 4 days still no answer on it, my one other ticket about certain of my blueprints not working, still open after 15 days.

Maybe, just like in EVE Online... some people are proud of what they have achieved and caused here.
Last year EVE online has achieved it's lowest active player base, don't blame me for the truth.

Your POS is blown up, you lose your stuff.

Your Citadel is blown up, you do not lose your stuff.

What is the point? Aren't citadels supposed to replace outpost and POS structures?

So... kind of two weeks now that new taxes are applied?

How many of you plan to move 10, 50, 100 maybe 200 B of stuff in a player owned statiion, risking to loose access to it temporarly at least ?

i guess none of who have a brain.

What we see on the jita market these days?

a lot of order has been removed, profits came back for few days, but there are some traders that are still NOT AWARE OF THE NEW TAX SYSTEM AND STILL CALCULATE WITH OLD VALUES...

So please ccp, when you'll take such drastic actions in the future, remember you do have a large part of player totally unresponsible of themselves. AND JUST MAKE POP A LARGE WINDOW SAYING "HELLO ! NOW YOU WILL PAY WAY MORE THAN BEFORE SO CALCULATE YOUR PRICE BEFORE PLACING THE NEXT ORDER" or something like that.

Moreover, all manufacturers do try themselves placing sell orders (because the buy ones are too low now...) and does not have patience for the 0.01 isk war.

So increasing tax ? ok why not
Thinking people will place asset in destroyable struct ? get out.
Thinking market will adapt ? hmm come on, you over-estimate your players...it was already the theatre of the most idiot part of human-thinking before your patch.

Probably just this, produced stuff is more competitive now on sell orders than stuff bought with buy orders.

I'm buying most of the raw material directly from sell orders, some I have buy orders running, and the expensive ones I produce myself buying the 2nd level raw material. Finished products are sold via sell orders. I'm only recently in industry, but this works quite well so far, though the 0.01 ISK game can get a bit annoying at times.