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Vegarc

Doomheim

Likes received: 3

#1 - 2016-04-28 17:13:31 UTC

Hi! Returning player here.. I just bought PLEX and injected just a little bit of SP so I could start running level 1 missions in Worm. Next ship will be Gila and eventually level four missions with Rattlesnake (perhaps 0.0 anomalies?).

Fitting for level 1 and level 2 missions is easy and there is no need for any expensive modules. Just MSE seems to be enough as tank..

I would like to get fits for Gila and Rattlesnake. I will spend SP heavily on shield and drone skills and I like passive tanking.

Do you use propulsion modules?

Do you use drone speed modules?

Is it worth it to get those augmented faction drones that have quite large tank?

Most likely I will be hanging around in Gallente and Minmatar space until I have enough fat wallet to move into nulsec.

Thanks in advance! Cool

Jessie McPewpew

U2EZ

Likes received: 31

#2 - 2016-04-28 18:05:06 UTC

Vegarc wrote:

Faction drones are pretty good for starters. I'd advise getting at least one of each module in your cargo then fitting as needed, with a mobile depot, while in the site. It allows you to learn while on the spot.

Roci Nantes

Perfusus Sanguine

Pandemic Horde

Likes received: 71

#3 - 2016-04-28 18:10:03 UTC

I love my Gila, has to be my favorite ship up to this point. I use it to run level 3's with 0 issues. I keep a probe launcher on it to scan down sites. I keep a mobile depot with relic/data analyzers. Lets me scan down combat sites and do the odd relic or data site I come across.

Highs:
4x Rapid Light Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury light
Probe Launcher - Sisters probes

Mid:
3x Large shield extender II
Adaptive Invul Field II
Hardener of choice II
10mn AB II

Low:
3x Drone Damaage Amp II

Rig:
2x Medium Field Purger II
Damage type of your hardener Reinforcer II

Drones:
8 x T2 mediums of various damage types - hammerhead,vespa etc
4x T2 light drone of your choice


Vegarc Doomheim Likes received: 3	#4 - 2016-04-28 19:04:00 UTC Jessie McPewpew wrote: Faction drones are pretty good for starters. I'd advise getting at least one of each module in your cargo then fitting as needed, with a mobile depot, while in the site. It allows you to learn while on the spot. I am sorry, but whaaaat? Changing fitting in space?!

Roci Nantes

Perfusus Sanguine

Pandemic Horde

Likes received: 71

#5 - 2016-04-28 19:07:36 UTC

Vegarc wrote:

Jessie McPewpew wrote:

I am sorry, but whaaaat? Changing fitting in space?!

It is called a Mobile Depot, it takes a few seconds to anchor itself then you can right click on it and use the "fitting service" and change fittings in space. You can even move drones into your drone bay, if you carry extras.

Just remember to bookmark it, if you plan to leave it deployed. Or even if you don't. When you first start using them, it is very easy to leave them behind then either have to scan them down or buy a new one.

Arthur Aihaken

CODE.d

Likes received: 6,149

#6 - 2016-04-28 20:35:51 UTC | Edited by: Arthur Aihaken

Jessie McPewpew wrote:

Just be aware that as of Citadel you can no longer refit when you have a weapons timer present.

Vegarc wrote:

I would like to get fits for Gila and Rattlesnake. I will spend SP heavily on shield and drone skills and I like passive tanking.

Passive missioning with drones doesn't really exist anymore. Drones can and do attract a lot of NPC aggro now, so you can't leave them unattended. You'll find that with some of the changes to the Rattlesnake you give up quite a bit of DPS to have the option to passive tank. In any event, the Rattlesnake is highly overrated for L4 missions (DPS looks great on paper; applying it on a consistent basis is another matter entirely).

Quote:

Do you use propulsion modules?
Do you use drone speed modules?

Yes and no.

Quote:

Is it worth it to get those augmented faction drones that have quite large tank?

If you're prepared to keep a close eye on them, yes. Otherwise, stock what you can afford to lose.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Shalashaska Adam

Snakes and Lasers

Likes received: 203

#7 - 2016-04-29 13:25:19 UTC | Edited by: Shalashaska Adam

Passive missioning with drones still exists, but only for the Gila.

Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

10MN Afterburner II
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Capacitor Battery II

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II

Caldari Navy Vespa
Caldari Navy Vespa

This will omni-tank all L4's without the need to ever swap hardeners.

The Vespas draw very little aggro, and when they do they easily tank it with their shield regen rate.

Very few missions require any manual targetting, only things like spider drones do.


Vegarc Doomheim Likes received: 3	#8 - 2016-04-29 14:20:11 UTC Thanks for the replies. By passive I meant passive shield tanking, not passive mission running. Sad that there isn't guristas carrier ship.


Arthur Aihaken CODE.d Likes received: 6,149	#9 - 2016-04-29 16:13:58 UTC Vegarc wrote: By passive I meant passive shield tanking, not passive mission running. You can definitely passive shield tank, but you'll seriously gimp your potential DPS (at least on the Rattlesnake). I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Shalashaska Adam

Snakes and Lasers

Likes received: 203

#10 - 2016-04-29 17:16:27 UTC

Passive tank used to be best for the Gila, but two things happened that changed that.

The ship lost its 4th lowslot, resulting in ether a loss of a shield power relay, or a loss of a drone damage amp.

Large cap batteries got an enormous buff, allowing for a powerful active tank with just a single capacitor module.

The fit above is equivilent in price to a T2 purger rig passive fit, but its more powerful and has a leaner signature.

Kitty Bear

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

Likes received: 1,626

#11 - 2016-04-29 18:03:24 UTC | Edited by: Kitty Bear

Gila (does L4's just fine)

3x purgers in the rig slots
3x DDA in the low slots
3x LSE, with 2x resistance modules + 1x AB in the mid slots
4x missile launchers in the high slots

the resistance modules used will vary by the relevant damage profile of the incoming dps
the same applies to drones & missiles loaded
e.g
Angel Cartel - Adaptive Invulnerability Field + Explosive Deflection Field, with Valkyrie + Nova
Blood Raiders - EM Ward Field + Thermic Dissipation Field, with Infiltrator + Mjolnir
etc.

eve-survival + a 3rd party fitting tool will give you the rest


Vegarc Doomheim Likes received: 3	#12 - 2016-04-30 15:21:04 UTC Alright I think I get the idea now, thanks for the replies. Btw Worm and faction drones in L2 missions...massive overkill. I feel confident that I can run some level threes in a Worm.

Amanda Chan

Garoun Investment Bank

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 123

#13 - 2016-05-01 04:51:46 UTC

Arthur Aihaken wrote:

[quote=Jessie McPewpew]Faction drones are pretty good for starters. I'd advise getting at least one of each module in your cargo then fitting as needed, with a mobile depot, while in the site. It allows you to learn while on the spot.

Just be aware that as of Citadel you can no longer refit when you have a combat timer present.

To clarify this. You cannot refit when you have a weapons timer not a combat timer. 1 minute vs 15 minute =P.

Vegarc

Doomheim

Likes received: 3

#14 - 2016-05-04 12:35:51 UTC | Edited by: Vegarc

Used couple skill injectors and spend them for drone, shield, missile and spaceship command skills. Got myself a new Rattlesnake!

Did not want to go all in so I will have to wait for T2 drones and launchers.

However I already did one mission and I had forgotten how damn slow battleship hulls are.

I discovered this new micro jump drive and it seems that it is useful in missions. Is that correct?

Faction drones, 2x LSE, 4x hardeners (passive) and propulsion mod. Lows 3x DDA and those shield recharge mods. Rigs are of course purgers. Highs were just 5 rapid heavy missile launchers and that was a mistake since drone control range was too low. Need to up the drone control range.

The tank was totally overkill for the mission that I did, but I like to keep it that way until I get into this new ship.

Oh, I did run those level three missions very easily on Worm!

Only once they engaged my light faction drones. I went from 0 to 5+ corporation standing in just few days with it. Worm can be quite good for blitzing level three missions when AB is fitted. There were some missions where I had to warp off and actually check eve survival, but mostly just pick up a mission, refit and blitz it.

So far I think that I made a good choice. Rattlesnake seems to be usable on very different areas of PVE grinding.


Kitty Bear Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 1,626	#15 - 2016-05-04 12:52:53 UTC Overtanking initially is fine. As you gain experience with how missions play out you can drop some tank for DPS or utility I found 2 hardeners to be fine for both L4's & null-sec ratting on the Gila By extension I would imagine the snake will cope well too.