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Does Anyone Here Fly to Rokh?

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Yong Shin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-04-22 21:21:34 UTC
Hello,

Does anyone here have any opinions on the Rokh as a PVE ship? I've used battleships exclusively for years and have all their associated skills maxed out, but I can't find any excuse to use one. I love the way it looks and I want to fly it, but:

1) It has bonuses to range and is suggested as a sniper ship (useless in PVE), but its other bonus is.... shield resistance.
2) Every other hybrid platform battleship does more damage that it using rails
3) Those rare instances snipe is needed, Spike ammo can be used instead on any of the other battleships.
4) From what I can tell on Reddit and the forums here, nobody uses the Rokh for PVP doctrines either.

All the other T1 battleships seem to have a clear, defined purpose, but I can't figure out any excuse to get into this ship.

Thank you for any and all your opinions!
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#2 - 2016-04-22 22:15:03 UTC
only pvp use I see for Rokh is smartbomb gate.

I did sometime try to bring sniper rokh to gate camp for fun.

advantage I told that Rokh have over other hybrid BS is that it can use short range ammo in condition where other would have to use long range ammo and suffer low dps as result.

but sometime I feel that Naga perform better than Rokh in sniper role
Yong Shin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-04-22 22:55:47 UTC
unidenify wrote:
only pvp use I see for Rokh is smartbomb gate.

I did sometime try to bring sniper rokh to gate camp for fun.

advantage I told that Rokh have over other hybrid BS is that it can use short range ammo in condition where other would have to use long range ammo and suffer low dps as result.

but sometime I feel that Naga perform better than Rokh in sniper role


That's the thing though, besides using Javelin ammo (which still sucks, even on a Rokh) it's by far the weakest railgun bs.

And you make a good point. A Naga gets the SAME range bonus as its bigger brother, and the Naga does 25% more damage! Ridiculous.
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#4 - 2016-04-23 00:43:52 UTC
Rokh can tank pretty well so rather than sniping it might be worth using the range bonus with a couple of tracking computers, blasters and null ammo as a kind of lite blaster kronos?

Never tried it myself but might be interesting if not optimal.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

Kieron VonDeux
#5 - 2016-04-23 03:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kieron VonDeux
The Rokh really shined for a few years after it was released about 8 years ago, but since then the Sniper BS has really fallen out of use for the most part.

It can still fill niche rolls but those have been becoming less and less as time passes as well.

Tanky short-range high damage ammo rail fits can be interesting in some situations.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#6 - 2016-04-23 03:43:20 UTC
I have used the Rokh for both.
I really wanted to use guns in my early days of PvE. With a Caldari background and perfect shield skills, it was the natural choice.
Bottom line, it was S L O W ....... 350's actually improved the speed over 425's but still horribly slow.

PvP it had limited uses. The problem there was, 3rd tier battle ships are the most expensive. I could do more damage with a Raven for far less ISK. More damage with a Typhoon. More damage with a Megathron if I wanted Blasters.

One of the best LOOKING ships in the game. Sadly, there are better options for most applications.
Valkin Mordirc
#7 - 2016-04-23 03:53:20 UTC
Rohk is a little weak when you want to use as a sniper. Tengu's and Naga tend to outperform it. Tengus are tanky sorta quick and have the T2 Resist profiles, Naga's are cheap get the same range, and quicker. Feroxs are also a decent choice over the Rohk.


Blaster Rohks are fun to use, even though a Megathron would be a better choice, you still can get a decent tank from it if you active tank it with bling.

But the Rokh lacks speed, and tracking for blasters, and for long range it's out gunned by other rail ships. It needs another mid so it can field full tackle when it comes to Solo/Small Gang. PVE it has trouble tracking frigates and it's drone bay is very small.



I really like the Rokh it's a nice looking battleship. But sadly it's one of the weaker/specialized battleships in the game at the moment.
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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#8 - 2016-04-23 08:51:09 UTC
Yong Shin wrote:
Hello,

Does anyone here have any opinions on the Rokh as a PVE ship? I've used battleships exclusively for years and have all their associated skills maxed out, but I can't find any excuse to use one. I love the way it looks and I want to fly it, but:

1) It has bonuses to range and is suggested as a sniper ship (useless in PVE), but its other bonus is.... shield resistance.
2) Every other hybrid platform battleship does more damage that it using rails
3) Those rare instances snipe is needed, Spike ammo can be used instead on any of the other battleships.
4) From what I can tell on Reddit and the forums here, nobody uses the Rokh for PVP doctrines either.

All the other T1 battleships seem to have a clear, defined purpose, but I can't figure out any excuse to get into this ship.

Thank you for any and all your opinions!


In an earlier thread you mentioned doing level 4's, so in case you did get a "Dread Pirate Scarlet" I used to fly a Rokh for that one with rails and an mjd.
But to be honest I didn't like it very much. If you shoot antimatter of javelin for long duration you are getting low on cap and your semi-active tank won't like it either.

Then on top of it all the longer range ammo is just sad.

I also tried blasters but when you move a whale on an ice shelf you want to eat your pencil, then your desk - without mustard.

So even when your full rack of neutrons gets you 45km-ish you are still out of range on most things. An Apoc on the other hand will do just fine.

Or my very first love - the Raven.

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New Machinarium Corporation
#9 - 2016-04-23 09:31:02 UTC
that was a ton of text, but i shrunk it.

Rokh in Pve:
as sniper boat Rokh superior than any other BS except Hyperion (flyght of sentry's). and by sniper i means range (425 rails and plutonium). the problem is that naga have the same range and better dps and can not fit MJD. only few mission outside the caldari space demand a BS.

Rokh in Pvp:
what you mean a PVP-doctrines? CTA, roam, what?
small group of active players use Rokh with great success. actially such groups use almost every BS with great success.
about CTA-doctrines.... o, boy... try to push missile/drone sleepers to something new. good luck with that.
Lasisha Mishi
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2016-04-25 16:04:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lasisha Mishi
i love Rokh.....but yeah i'll admit its not exactly....in a good spot in the game right now

after alot of experimentation this is the build i tend to come to
https://null-sec.com/hangar/?dna=24688:25948;1:26374;2:10190;3:1248;2:2281;2:19198;1:2032;1:24443;2:3090;8:238;8:

shield tank wise its nice.
but its problem is its so slow. so while it can snipe, its to slow to keep distance. once they get close(ish) to you, your guns are useless. and drones are limited. (so you have to use MJD often)

and other than snipe, theres no other roles for it.


i can take Maelstrom and equip it to snipe, or throw on AC for brawling.

but Rokh, not so much. blasters are high dmg yes. but extremely short range.



in the end, i've found myself using 800mm autocannons on Rokh far more often than the 425mm rail guns, 350mm rail guns, or any of the blasters.

which is sad as rokh has no bonuses that encourage me to use railguns.
the optimal range bonus isn't enough for blasters (not with that speed), and isn't that valuable for already long range railguns.





for PvE, it can work...but its at best under average.
for PvP, it can snipe. but Maelstrom and Tempest are superior. as are gallente railgun platforms.

wish they'd give it the speed of the tempest to make the blaster fits more usable. (so 140m/s base speed. that alone would make it work)
or change the optimal range to a tracking bonus
or improve the capacitor recharge time.
or increase drone bay.

right now, i like it...but i can't see any reason to use it over a Maelstrom.

still beats Abaddon though (RIP abaddon's capacitor.)
Mira Chieve
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#11 - 2016-04-25 22:48:49 UTC
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Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
#12 - 2016-04-26 19:43:04 UTC
With perfect shield skills I imagine it would be a beast of a tank. If the ships was used for gate/station brawling (solo stuff) how about using cruiser sized blasters for better tracking etc?

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Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2016-04-26 23:22:42 UTC
Tzar Sinak wrote:
With perfect shield skills I imagine it would be a beast of a tank. If the ships was used for gate/station brawling (solo stuff) how about using cruiser sized blasters for better tracking etc?

hm....

the problem is that the blasters have tracking, but not range.

rail guns have range, but not tracking.


using cruiser blasters gives u more tracking yes, but you had enough tracking on the large blasters. and worse the range is 1/2 as much.

you think a rokh is hard to use with 20km range (with its low speed). w8 till you try with 6-7km.




using cruiser railguns murders the dps.



so as it is now, railguns and blasters both are pure min/max

either max range, or max dmg/tracking.


theres no middleground. which is what 800mm autocannons are.


giving the rokh a buff for tracking would improve the railguns so the min/max doesn't hurt it as much

while giving it a speed buff would improve the blasters.




Megathron is god like with railguns due to the dmg bonus and tracking bonus

and its blasters are possible due to its 122m/sec speed




compare that to Rokh's laughable 89m/sec speed.
and no bonus to tracking. instead it has a bonus to optimal range for railguns that already have as much range as you'd ever need, without hte bonus.

and is way to slow for blasters.




Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
#14 - 2016-04-26 23:30:45 UTC
Thanks for the reply. I have used a Rokh in the past: Mining and lasers for scorch. The mining was hilarious as it offload directly into an Orca. The lasers was good but chewed through the cap so fast.

I'll play with the auto cannons. Interestingly it seems an almost cap immune tank fit might be possible.

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Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2016-04-26 23:47:41 UTC
Tzar Sinak wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I have used a Rokh in the past: Mining and lasers for scorch. The mining was hilarious as it offload directly into an Orca. The lasers was good but chewed through the cap so fast.

I'll play with the auto cannons. Interestingly it seems an almost cap immune tank fit might be possible.

with autocannons defenitly

you'd be amazed what you can do when you use those wonderful minmatar weapons (w8 this is a caldari ship......sad disgrace to hybrid weapons and the state there....)

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#16 - 2016-04-27 00:19:49 UTC
Half the trouble is the weapons. Crucible did well to help Hybrids out a bit, but even back then people knew it wasn't enough in some areas. That and being the slowest Caldari BS doesn't really help its case when all it has to rely on for firepower is an optimal range buff and needs all eight highs for the guns with cap issues.

Like any case of judging a ship's worth or value in the field, the Rokh is not a bad ship, just doesn't compete well with others for the same job. It is sad that such a pretty ship (Abaddon too) suffers from being "the slow one" of the bunch, literally and figuratively.

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The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#17 - 2016-04-27 09:46:33 UTC
Lasisha Mishi wrote:

hm....

using cruiser blasters gives u more tracking yes, but you had enough tracking on the large blasters. and worse the range is 1/2 as much.

you think a rokh is hard to use with 20km range (with its low speed). w8 till you try with 6-7km.




The large blasters on Rokh do not have enough tracking to compete in today´s frig and 10mn cancermobile meta. Using medium blasters has a very simple premise. Kill whatever gets into scram range, MJD from stuff that is in longpoint range. Easy.