EVE General Discussion

The Sam Walton of EVE, eh? All for public service enterprises require funding. I don't think dear old Sam was much into charity, not even for his own employees. Cutting deals with countries that have questionable human rights records seems key in being able to strike that bargain, as well - overlook humanity once again...for the good of the enterprise, of course.

Two things make Jita what it is. 1.) It's in high sec. The security response is free. (Anyone recall CONCORD having to replace a ship w/fittings?) 2.) All you pay to market there is the list of usuals you'd pay at any NPC station - taxes/escrows/fees. (You certainly don't pay a third party for their expenses incurred while innocently keeping the store open - obstensively.)

The focal point for PvP hook-ups is a new wrinkle here, I guess. It's similar to the bulletin board for bands you'd find in your local Guitar World. But, I'm guessing you'd perform for free? I see a membership fee and monthly dues hovering around this somewhere, which is of necessity of course, and also where most skimming occurs. Which brings us to the main issue. Unless you're sitting on that proverbial trillions of ISK you just can't find a way to spend, this is a for profit venture. As such, as it's advertised, it has Ponzi written all over it.

Open a store the old fashioned way, Sam...er....Aaron is it? (People seem to know you....) Buy up everything in Jita, haul it in freighters to your "new location". Put it up for sale at cost. Do like Sam does. Get your trucks to those manufacturer's loading docks, and instead of it winding up in Jita, ship it to Home Sweet Home. Presto! Trade...well, it can't be a "hub" per se, unless the same traffic phenomena occurs.

There are a couple of those leading into null sec, and just one of note in null sec proper. None of these are in Stain, SO!
There goes that "hub" part. Already we're dealing with misrepresentation just in the subject lines.

Great start! Good luck with that.

Aaron, you should just join an alliance. Loose coalitions don't work.

Good luck anyway, and good to see you back.

If stain is still as dead as it was you would be better off in a wormhole with all the kspace connections closed. I wish you luck. I think most people are right about loose alliances, and good ol boy agreements not working. It would be pretty easy to get awoxed if your not running security checks and insuring that the folks you fly with are who and what they claim to be. I would hate to be in a supposedly blue fleet in a ratting ship when that cyno lights up.... You stated that you didn't want to be thought of as a leader. Null systems in simple terms must be held by force of arms. How do you propose to mount a home defense fleet with no leadership? Assuming your defense strategy is more than OH S*** neutral dock up! Is your chosen system in BLOPS range of anywhere? What would keep someone from taking your system after you fill that market up? It's a really neat idea honestly but this is EVE. With your strategy and not being a SOV holder all you need is one unknown toon parked in your station to ruin your system for anything but ship spinning. Your only real defense is a nice quiet system in the armpit of the universe. That will work until a scout checks DOTLAN and sees all that juicy care bear goodness going on. You might be better off renting a system somewhere, at least you could have some control over who can dock up. As well as the benefit of being behind an actual military entity. Controlling a system is hard when you have bodies interested in fighting. It will be a true feat if you can wrangle a bunch of care bears into camping your gates to maintain security while their buds are out sucking up DED sites. Please let us know how this turns out.

Good luck this time around, I hope things workout in a way you're satisfied with. I have you to thank Aaron, for introducing me to stain last episode. I'm still living out here and enjoying the heck out of it.

I tend to agree with Moac regarding loose coalitions. Depending on how many people are interested in the endeavor, standings management can become quite tedious.

Hey Jimbo, nice to read you again.

Hey no worries man, Stain is a cool place when you're prepared to adapt as you have seen.

Regarding loose coalitions, I thought back to when Neo first met the Oracle in the film The Matrix, "Know Thyself" was what was on the sign above the door, which is an Ancient Greek aphorism.

I've studied myself and the feelings that influence my thoughts and motivate my actions and I realize that I'm exactly where I want to be. Alone in a quiet area. I'm willing to accept this as my game-play and it would be pointless me joining a bigger corp or alliance, I'd just annoy them because my heart is in being alone in Stain.

Perhaps this could be the reason why previous attempts haven't worked. The people I was with before, their heart just wern't in it. I suppose my failures on previous attempts have helped me define what type of person I am looking for to help me with this, the first men/women will be resourceful, typically a solo player, happy being alone, adventurous, not afraid to cloak up at times, not easily phased, happy to occasionally work with people who have a similar attitude.

I know the going may be slow but with a handful of the above type of people I think we will be able to make it into something that will appeal to a larger base of people.

IMHO a random assortment of solo players will never accomplish something like this because any player efforts toward the goal will be half assed or unfocused. That is the reason people form corporations / alliances - a group of people working towards some goal. Doing something like this requires people persistently doing tasks, and being in a structured group allows those orchestrating the show to assign jobs to people to get things done. Until you are willing to form a formal group with leadership and assemble people willing to be part of that this will not come to pass.

Will be keeping an eye on this, good luck

Aaaaaand here we go again.

I've told him last time that there is a thin line between being persistent and being stubborn .





He said drac wasn't going to join at the start if i recall right , then drac joined and eventually it turned into the same drama as the previous attempts.He tries it every year and so far every year it's going worse then the attempt before.

2010 attempt and this was the one before that 2009 attempt, the 2010 linked is the follow up from the same one i believe

2015 attempt

2014 attempt

5 or 6 guys just chillin' doesn't require a thread on the forums.
60 million in 2 days.
/me adjusts goggles