EVE General Discussion

Also spice it up, if turned greater than 170 degrees to where you are warping, when you turn in warp, after the 180 secs, the stress tears your ship in half.

Bump.

15 seconds apparently.

I see no major strategy changes, just scram with burner alt every 2 mins 59.999999secs recurring and can hold until downtime.

I think they are just trying to limit the "bumping while pinging to see if we can get enough people to log in" thing.

If you can't gank them in those 3 minutes, then you probably should have set up the trap better.

How long can you fly through objects? Fly rammed another ship and repel it without damage? When small boats speeding confronted huge ships, although in theory should have been in a cake break on them? What kind of garbage? This is sheer nonsense. Yes, in space like there is weightlessness, vacuum, I was not there myself, do not know) However, even in a vacuum, before the body under the condition of weightlessness will scatter to the sides, they will be damaged by a collision ... and then .. . already in 2016, and the physics in the game dosih missing ... It is a sad fact ... Do not you think?

Сколько можно летать сквозь объекты? Лететь тараном в другой корабль и отталкивать его без повреждений? Когда мелкие кораблики разогнавшись сталкивают огромные корабли, хотя по идее должны были бы в лепешку разбиться о них? Что за фигня? Это же сущий бред. Да, в космосе вроде бы есть невесомость, вакуум, я там сам не был, не в курсе) Однако, даже в вакууме, перед тем как тела при условии невесомости разлетятся в стороны, они получат повреждения от столкновения... а тут... уже 2016 год, а физика в игре досих пор отсутствует... Это печальный факт... Вы так не считаете?

Bumping is just a side-show. Making it so that you now need to use some suicide scrams adds little effort to the massive bar that already exists to gank a freighter in highsec. Any group that is organized enough to gather 20-30 players to attack a single other player is not going to notice having to sacrifice a noobship every 2.5 minutes instead of the 15 minutes they already had to account for for the logoff timer.

Highsec has many problems which limit player interaction and prevent sandbox gameplay from fully developing. It is absurd that an AFK player in a freighter is so immune to the other players in the sandbox with no effort or action on their part. Highsec is long overdue for a complete rethink of the mechanics, and whenever CCP gets around to that, this content-killing situation will be addressed, exactly like it was for Aegis sov, with the goal of groups of all sizes being able to play as criminals.

Fozzie has said that CCP would like to let the other capitals back into highsec. There is no chance of that with the current bumping/interdiction/CONCORD mechanics as they would be invulnerable. I expect the long-term goal to accomplish that will involve adding a new interdiction mechanic entirely that will allow capitals to be vulnerable to attack and that mechanic will apply to freighters.

I think everyone agrees that being able to bump someone indefinitely was a little broken, but there does need to be some way to hold these freighters down long enough to get a fleet there to overcome the insane amount of EHP they can have. Don't get me wrong, this is a significant nerf, and on top of the EHP buff will probably result in a noticeable reduction of freighter ganks, but it will not kill ganking in highsec, especially of the super-profitable whales. I expect though that if there is such an unhealthy reduction in ganking, CCP will revisit the issue and rebalance freighters to make them more vulnerable. I expect CCP would be very unhappy if any ship class became effectively invulnerable (which arguably freighters already borderline are), and would make changes to facilitate the player-player interaction they have identified as being so important for the health of the game.

I think there is a huge perception problem here. Many think it is more dangerous than it should be, and many think it isn't dangerous enough.

All I can say is that it certainly seems far more dangerous than it used to be when I first started playing a decade ago.

That is working as intended. You are not suppose to be 100% safe anywhere in this game. If a group 30 times your size wants you exploded, they should have a very good chance of exploding you, especially if you are using autopilot in an unarmed ship and are out walking your dog.

Right now freighters are still dying. Not very frequently compared to other ship classes, but they are still dying. If any of these changes makes that stop, then CCP will step in and change something so they start dying again. Simple as that.

The problem with ganking is that years of nerfs have raised the bar of entry to play the game as a highwayman so high that now, only a few groups in the game can meet it. Each nerf has been met with 'just bring one more player' that now, N+1 means that any group large enough to gank, outnumbers the average group size in this game by so much there is nothing you can do. And typical sized groups are locked out from using the mechanic at all as they just don't have enough players to meet the arbitrary NPC-enforced DPS check.

Just like Dominion sov, this high barrier to entry and N+1 phenomenon does not make for the most interesting gameplay, not to mention the content-stifling effects of CONCORD and the faction police. Freighters should be much more vulnerable to attack, but even more easy to defend if they are to do more than serve as a free NPC transport service that encourage players to autopilot and go do something else other than play Eve. Freighter interdiction (and highsec criminal mechanics in general) should be redesigned, like the new citadels and Rorqual, with the idea of escalation of fights in mind.

My point is still not being understood.

Nothing should be 100% safe or not safe.

At the moment a targeted freighter is dead 100% of the time.

This three minute rule fixes nothing.