Player Features and Ideas Discussion

reason given by ccp


"think of the newbie numbers are hard"

While I do agree it is dumb, it hardly warrants such a reaction.

Gonna have to agree with Paranoid here.. You are clearly overreacting. Its obviously just another half-baked idea implemented by CCP, I'm sure they have plans to make it easier to compare to another number.. they just haven't implemented that other number yet..

Currently the 250mm Railgun (medium) has a tracking of 0.0205 rad/s, while a Dual 250mm Railgun (large) has a tracking of 0.018rad/s
So it seems like they both track about the same, but in reality when they both shoot at a target with a signature Resolution of 125m, the effektive tracking of the large Gun is 0.0056rad/s, because of its signature resolution. In other words, even though both guns show about the same tracking, the large ohne is way more slower than the medium one, and thats why they changed it. The value you see there is still rad/s, but the resolution of all Guns has been increased to 40000, so you can better see how good a Gun is actually tracking

As it stands now i can see precisely how well a gun is tracking. Also, because I know the targets signature radius has an effect on applied damage, I know if the target's angular velocity is below my tracking speed and I'm applying badly then I know I need to increase the signature radius of the target. What do I do with this new stat? just guess between fitting a target painter or a tracking computer? That's what it sounds like.

As I said: It still is rad/s, they only increased the Signature radius of every gun to the same value, so you can compare them to each other. Like I have shown in my example, the old system makes it look like that one gun only has about 10% better tracking, while in reality the gun tracs four times as good.
There are a lot of people that doesn't know how that the signature Radius of your enemy actually change your tracking. A BS who flies with 0.1rad/s can be hit, while a frig that only has 0.01rad/s is to fast for your gun... So what reason is there for a tracking value when a ship which is faster gets hit, but not the other that flies slower...

I assume it's for the purpose of better comparing the accuracy of differently sized weapons. It's neither arbitrary nor random - it's based off of existing numbers, angular tracking divided by sig resolution (not random), then multiplied by 40,000 to give it a human-scale result (not arbitrary).

If you mean angular tracking divided by signature radius of the gun, yes. If you mean angular tracking alone, no, you don't at all have an exact figure of the turret's capability.

No you don't. You can have Ship A and Ship B both orbiting you at 0.12 rad/sec, yet your turrets can have wildly different abilities to hit them. Either ship can be target painted, of have MWD on or off, or have different base stats. There's nothing direct about your comparison - you have to take into account many other factors.

It's improving direct comparison between two different guns.

For short range guns (pulse, blaster, AC) the scores are generally:
Small: 240 to 400
Medium: 30 to 50
Large: 4 to 6
Extra Large: 0.02 to 2.0

For long range guns:
Small: 60 to 140
Medium: 6 to 20
Large: 1 to 2
Extra Large: 0.015 to 0.02

I do agree though that it doesn't give much of a sense for the effectiveness against actual ships in space. Which is why I advocated for a Ship Evasion Score to be shown, which would be calculated exactly like the Weapon Accuracy Score is. Angular velocity divided by signature radius times 40000. This would give a frig approaching directly a score of essentially zero, or one orbiting at 500 meters and 500m/s an Evasion Score of around 1100. Which tells you a lot when you know your guns' Accuracy Score.

i'm gona quit this game if they do this... i play this game of its hardness.. what the hell? ccp stop it!

In the info panel you currently see the tracking speed in rad/s and the signature resolution (400, 125, and 40). For the majority of people, all they look at is the tracking speed since the sig resolution only changes between weapon sizes. Using both of those numbers compared to a target's signature radius and radial velocity, you got your chance to hit formula. For those that understand the formula, either number by itself only tells half of the picture. For some/most people, they tended to only look at tracking speed as the comparable variable. So for a large blaster that has a slightly higher tracking speed than a medium railgun, one would assume the blaster tracks better. Once you factor in the sig resolution, it shows that the blaster has a worse chance to hit than the railgun.

CCP decided to make a number value that accurately compares between weapon systems. They standardized all weapon sizes to an arbitrary sig res (40km in this case) and then do part of the equation for players and showing a new weapon accuracy score. This number accurately shows the relative difference between two different weapons tracking.

For tracking, nothing has changed. The only difference is which part of the formula you are seeing now.

Aside from that I believe some people are confusing the difference between tedious and difficult.

Actually, it does. Things that can change a target's sig radius during combat:
MWD, as you say.
Target painters.
Links.
Tactical destroyer defensive mode.

I agree that it's important for the server to supply this information to the client along with the current velocity, distance, etc. information. It's even more important, IMO, for CCP to add an "Evasion" score column to the overview that parallels the Weapon Accuracy Score calculation.