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Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2016-04-18 18:57:39 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
For one so keen on beating up the Gallente about their sins, both past and present, Kimmy sure is keen on dismissing the sins of the state and 5he sins she personally commits in its name....


It's not fascism when we do it!

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#22 - 2016-04-18 19:10:51 UTC
Even a change of scenery might help. Rather than holding on to a place you have long associated with your traumas of the past. May I recommend deklin? or perhaps eventhe Amar/Matari warzone? Given it might not feel like its helping, but it could really help if you associated your aggression you feel with something other than the past. Its not a given, I know. but worth a shot.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#23 - 2016-04-18 22:50:44 UTC
Well, after being duly chastised by someone I actually like, in another thread, regarding my… lack of civility to Ms. Kim, I have decided to be nice.

So… I will answer your question regarding the use of torture as honestly as I may.

I have seen torture used.

Its viability as a means of coercion depends entirely upon the subject.

I don’t torture people.

I don’t think its… nice.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#24 - 2016-04-18 22:59:04 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:


I don’t torture people.

I don’t think its… nice.

You're not doing it right.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2016-04-18 23:00:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
Diana Kim wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Torture works wonderfully well, if your goal is merely to inflict suffering. The knowledge that one can inflict suffering is a great deterrent for opposition. Fear, as they say, is the mind-killer; it dilutes the will to fight in the first place. Abhorrent? Yes. Inhumane? Absolutely! But effective? Quite. Not that I would know from experience, but I am sure a can of worms can be opened by raising this topic—and that's disregarding the deviant proclivities of those who frequent these channels.

If I'd want to make someone suffer, I'd destroy everybody they love and everything they create. In fact, I do want to make some people suffer that way and Im working on it.


Would you perhaps be interested in joining Goonswarm? We have use of people who think this way.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2016-04-18 23:01:53 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Torture works wonderfully well, if your goal is merely to inflict suffering. The knowledge that one can inflict suffering is a great deterrent for opposition. Fear, as they say, is the mind-killer; it dilutes the will to fight in the first place. Abhorrent? Yes. Inhumane? Absolutely! But effective? Quite. Not that I would know from experience, but I am sure a can of worms can be opened by raising this topic—and that's disregarding the deviant proclivities of those who frequent these channels.


If I hate someone enough to want to inflict such suffering, I usually will at least have the self control to give them an honorable and quick death.

Only a savage man doesn't show respect to those he destroys. The respect isn't for them, it's for you.


If we are to make a practical argument for this modern honor,

True fear is knowing what that person is capable of doing to you, and watching him choose not to do it. For now.

If you can put your enemy in that captive state of mind, they will be as putty in your hands.


I see no efficacy in perpetuating a myth.


Come now Lyris, you have honor. Enough with the edge lord capsuleer ****.


I suppose I did recently host a guest and guarantee them safe passage through the warzone.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#27 - 2016-04-18 23:05:12 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Torture works wonderfully well, if your goal is merely to inflict suffering. The knowledge that one can inflict suffering is a great deterrent for opposition. Fear, as they say, is the mind-killer; it dilutes the will to fight in the first place. Abhorrent? Yes. Inhumane? Absolutely! But effective? Quite. Not that I would know from experience, but I am sure a can of worms can be opened by raising this topic—and that's disregarding the deviant proclivities of those who frequent these channels.

If I'd want to make someone suffer, I'd destroy everybody they love and everything they create. In fact, I do want to make some people suffer that way and Im working on it.


Would you perhaps be interested in joining Goonswarm? We have use of people who think this way.

I'm sure that they have one station left in delkin you can apply at. They could use the help. Roll

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#28 - 2016-04-18 23:07:24 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Torture works wonderfully well, if your goal is merely to inflict suffering. The knowledge that one can inflict suffering is a great deterrent for opposition. Fear, as they say, is the mind-killer; it dilutes the will to fight in the first place. Abhorrent? Yes. Inhumane? Absolutely! But effective? Quite. Not that I would know from experience, but I am sure a can of worms can be opened by raising this topic—and that's disregarding the deviant proclivities of those who frequent these channels.

If I'd want to make someone suffer, I'd destroy everybody they love and everything they create. In fact, I do want to make some people suffer that way and Im working on it.


Would you perhaps be interested in joining Goonswarm? We have use of people who think this way.

This^

They mainly use Caldari ESS, that's why the State actually likes me! For the State!

Big smile
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-04-19 03:16:32 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Torture works wonderfully well, if your goal is merely to inflict suffering. The knowledge that one can inflict suffering is a great deterrent for opposition. Fear, as they say, is the mind-killer; it dilutes the will to fight in the first place. Abhorrent? Yes. Inhumane? Absolutely! But effective? Quite. Not that I would know from experience, but I am sure a can of worms can be opened by raising this topic—and that's disregarding the deviant proclivities of those who frequent these channels.

If I'd want to make someone suffer, I'd destroy everybody they love and everything they create. In fact, I do want to make some people suffer that way and Im working on it.


Would you perhaps be interested in joining Goonswarm? We have use of people who think this way.


I hope she does so I can pod her.

Nothing personal, but I'm sure a Diana Kim corpse would fetch a hefty sum.

Much like yours, my dear.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2016-04-19 03:18:10 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Torture works wonderfully well, if your goal is merely to inflict suffering. The knowledge that one can inflict suffering is a great deterrent for opposition. Fear, as they say, is the mind-killer; it dilutes the will to fight in the first place. Abhorrent? Yes. Inhumane? Absolutely! But effective? Quite. Not that I would know from experience, but I am sure a can of worms can be opened by raising this topic—and that's disregarding the deviant proclivities of those who frequent these channels.

If I'd want to make someone suffer, I'd destroy everybody they love and everything they create. In fact, I do want to make some people suffer that way and Im working on it.


Would you perhaps be interested in joining Goonswarm? We have use of people who think this way.

I'm sure that they have one station left in delkin you can apply at. They could use the help. Roll


She better hurry.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2016-04-19 04:55:56 UTC
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation

As of this post they have 49 across new eden.

I very strongly encourage Diana to enlist.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#32 - 2016-04-19 06:26:25 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:


You're not exactly a paragon trusted by all yourself, Commander Kim. Its telling that you've spent as long as you have in the ranks of a Corporation run by baseline State bureaucrats. When was the last time you were welcome in a Corporation run by your fellow Capsuleers? Wolfsbrigade was a long time ago.

Maybe reaching out to someone is something you should consider. The most important ship is friendship, after all.



Many times The Church of Awesome discussed the possibility of Strike Commander Kim joining our fold during our time fighting for the state.

Her gif linking skills are quite developed and compliment our unbeatable local spam doctrines extremely well.

However - we unfortunately discovered that Diana Kim simply doesn't hate the Gallente enough.

Big smile






https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#33 - 2016-04-19 06:44:57 UTC
I think "unbeatable" is a bit too strong of a description for CoA's local spam. True, the skill and quality are hard to rival... but we all know that when it comes to spam sheer quantity often wins the day.

Still, your Church may be hold precisely the kind of spiritual enlightenment Diana requires. My internal security sources tell me that they've actually heard some FDU personnel say nice things about you. Not that I would know anything about that directly.

Under your benevolent guidance she might just learn to kill Gallente without alienating the entire cluster in the process.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2016-04-19 10:02:29 UTC
This is beginning to sound like a challenge.

Perhaps I should..

Sound the horde horn.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2016-04-19 13:13:05 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:

Yeah, the whole "Live by the sword, die by the sword" maxim kinda lost it's meaning when death did.

Then "reclone" by the sword. Want to feel it? I can provide.

Besides, when your clone dies, you die as well, your next clone is only your copy, because so called "consciouseness transfer" is reading your brain, digitizing it and writing it into new clone.

Sinti Vailatti wrote:

Oh my God...

That's it, isn't it?

Something happened. Some Gallente did something bad to you. They hurt you. The trauma of the event changed you. It made you want to lash out. It left a hole in you and the only thing that you can fill it with is hate.

I know this is gonna be tough for you Diana, but you have to reach out. You have to touch base with someone. You have to talk about this. I had a lot of bad stuff happen to me when I was younger and I carried that hate around for a long time before I was able to get past it. Talking to some people who'd had similar stuff happen helped a lot. If you don't, it's going to eat you alive from the inside.

I mean look, you've been storming through these forums like it's a battlefield. You're not conversing, you're dueling with everyone. But we're not the people that hurt you. Maybe, just maybe, someone here could be the one who can help you get back what you lost. Maybe someone here, a Caldari, can work on getting you, the real you, back. Trauma is a part of our lives, but it doesn't have to be the totality of it. Please...reach out. Get some healing, get some closure.

I've seen a lot of pilots go completely loopy because they wouldn't reach out for help. I knew this one pilot, used to be a pretty cool local trader. Now he's a monster, a Bloodraider. I don't think we can get him back. But maybe someone here can help you?

Well...I'm here. I don't think you'd wanna talk to me, but I'll take the step forward. I won't even talk, I'll just listen. But you're not alone in this galaxy Diana. You don't have to be.


I will neither confirm nor deny it, but I will strongly ask you to not discuss MY person.

Besides, wasn't I talking enough before?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#36 - 2016-04-19 13:27:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Lyris Nairn wrote:

Would you perhaps be interested in joining Goonswarm? We have use of people who think this way.

Not before the Federation is destroyed.
I have a job to do.


I see some people are actually trying to turn this thread into attempts of recruiting me. But you should know this: I serve the State. Whatever you say, Im not interested.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#37 - 2016-04-19 14:45:45 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:

Yeah, the whole "Live by the sword, die by the sword" maxim kinda lost it's meaning when death did.

Then "reclone" by the sword. Want to feel it? I can provide.

Besides, when your clone dies, you die as well, your next clone is only your copy, because so called "consciouseness transfer" is reading your brain, digitizing it and writing it into new clone.

1. At no point did I ever suggest that I would like to die, so I have no idea why you would offer.

2. The fact that your memories, personality and experience transfer to this "new you" effectively makes you the same person you were before. Meaning that, for all intent and purpose, you're the same person you were before and death has no effect.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#38 - 2016-04-19 15:05:22 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:

1. At no point did I ever suggest that I would like to die, so I have no idea why you would offer.

Indeed. I just thought though should you accept the offer, you will do a great service to everyone... except those, who hailed you as a God.

Claudia Osyn wrote:

2. The fact that your memories, personality and experience transfer to this "new you" effectively makes you the same person you were before. Meaning that, for all intent and purpose, you're the same person you were before and death has no effect.

For everyone around you, after the death you will be the same indeed. Nobody will ever notice that it is your copy, except yourself shall you be resurrected by a miracle.

In other words, after you die you will be dead with your copy taking your place.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#39 - 2016-04-19 15:34:42 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:

1. At no point did I ever suggest that I would like to die, so I have no idea why you would offer.

Indeed. I just thought though should you accept the offer, you will do a great service to everyone... except those, who hailed you as a God.
You thought wrong. But that's Par for the course in your case.

Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:

2. The fact that your memories, personality and experience transfer to this "new you" effectively makes you the same person you were before. Meaning that, for all intent and purpose, you're the same person you were before and death has no effect.

For everyone around you, after the death you will be the same indeed. Nobody will ever notice that it is your copy, except yourself shall you be resurrected by a miracle.

In other words, after you die you will be dead with your copy taking your place.

Meaning that, as I said, death is meaningless as there's an exact copy of you to continue to carry out the will of the original exactly as the original would have. Exact same person different body. If you are going to claim otherwise then you should treat each new clone as a separate person and give each one the respect you would to someone you just met. For example, if Priano were to die you shouldn't call her clone an honorless liar, as the clone is a different person.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#40 - 2016-04-19 17:23:50 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:

Meaning that, as I said, death is meaningless as there's an exact copy of you to continue to carry out the will of the original exactly as the original would have. Exact same person different body. If you are going to claim otherwise then you should treat each new clone as a separate person and give each one the respect you would to someone you just met. For example, if Priano were to die you shouldn't call her clone an honorless liar, as the clone is a different person.

If you were to copy a vagabond, would you expect to get a knight on a white horse as a result?

Makoto Priano was a dishonorable liar, why would you think her clones will be different? Maybe they aren't guilty in Makoto's misdeeds, but people shall know what kind of space trash they are dealing with.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.