EVE General Discussion

But until you petition CCP for a final answer on whether your interpretation of the EULA is correct, you have no basis to state that IWI is afoul of the EULA.

Sure, not by CCPs interpretation but I can certainly point out why I believe it is. I honestly can't think of any way using no third party tools that anyone could acquire that much isk, so have absolutely no doubt that the site allows the acquisition of ISK at a faster than that normal gameplay, and so can't see why it wouldn't be against the EULA.

Okay, uh, I never said that's what all players see or can see. I've said that player perception is driven by stuff that is illustrated by the attitudes displayed in those two bits of 'propaganda'. It's the ATTITUDE and HISTORY of the different sides of the leaderships that are driving the success and failure of the war. You can't change history, but you can change attitude.



Then you have pretty much missed what I and others have been saying or just don't care what we are saying. Your point is an opinion. Myself and others have been trying to illustrate to you how it can be attacked and done successfully in our opinions. We can't change your opinion, I'm going to stop trying now, so take that as a victory if you like, but just because you can't see how it can't be done, doesn't mean it can't.


Your current status as being in or out of the Imperium or allied with them is not relevant. It's your apparent support of their claims that appears to make you sided with them. Then again, none of that is relevant, only your previous 'point'. I'm only ruffling your feathers at this juncture, for which I apologize. I actually admire your posts in many ways.

So, I've said my say, my position is moderately clear as mud. I'll step out of the mess and let it rage on elsewise.

I appreciate everyone's patience with me. Thanks for letting me play along.

Gambling sites have been around for years, CCP is well aware of them and is condoning or even endorsing them by providing sponsorship or positive mentions. Nothing about this is currently against the EULA and if CCP thought there was some sort of problem with it the entire gambling niche would have been banned after the SOMER Blink fiasco.

Between full on market traders and incursion runners, a single guy running a gambling site is hardly something that jumps out. Trillions upon trillions can be made by any clever player who is willing to put in the time and effort. And make no mistake, running a site like that and managing all the people working for it is no easy task. I'd say it's many times harder than making trillions station trading or running incursions. God knows especially the latter is so easy even TEST could do it.

The problem here is that IWI has no loyalty. They can fund any war they want, switch sides at any time, and pretty much just act in their own interests. The counter to them in part is educating the players of this, and hoping to get the message across to CCP somehow (CSM?) that this is very hard to counter for anyone.

I mean at the moment everyone is so happy that the Goons are getting their butts kicked, but when IWI is done with them who do you think will be next? Will IWI just say "oh well that was fun, I think I'll just stop now," no one is safe. They have no allegiances correct? So in light of that IWI is extremely dangerous and untrustworthy. Why can't anyone else see this???

Oh and btw this isn't the first time they've used their income and power to influence players to carry out their plans.

You're suggesting I haven't? Nobody here is crying.

Whiney? In what way? You;'re babbling on about Burn Jita like in means a damn thing then rolling don the route of "can't wait for the end of goons HAHAHA ALL THE TEARS" which is classic defensive crap from highsec gank victims. Calling everything tears doesn't actually make it so it just makes you look desperate.

Clearly they are otherwise there would be so many posts direct at me.

So explain exactly why you think that IWI which is undeniably a third party application, which allows the owner to acquire isk at a faster rate than normal gameplay isn't covered by the EULA clause covering exactly that? And often CCP don't act all the time there's no light being shined on things.

And sure, there's other ways to make trillions, usually with a whole heap of work over a long period of time and still it's all dwarfed by a guy running a third party application. Not to mention that every single one of those in-gmae mechanics can be affected and attacked by players using in-game methods while IWI cannot. And I didn't state it was an easy task, I'm sure running 200 bots isn't an easy task, yet that's still banned. Just because it takes effort doesn't change whether it's right or not to allow it.

At the end of the day, I still see this as a third party app that allows a player to effectively win EVE by have a completely uncounterable method of gaining more isk that even whole alliances can make. A lot of people are happy with it now because their target is goons and they don't like goons, but that doesn't make it right to allow it. There's no point in other players even trying to compete with that.

Wrong.

So you are saying that if he didn't use that software and just did it in game, he would be able to acquire isk at the same rate he does now? I don't believe you, because that's obviously wrong.

Since their share purchases are generally done on the forum, probably not. There's a slight difference between volumes of isk able to be made between the sites though, since minerbumping is literally just a blog, while IWI is a full web application. If anything minerbmping shows more realistically how little IWI would make if it really didn't use a third party app to acquire all that isk.

No, you really need to read the EULA. The rule is that third party applications may not facilitate the acquisition of items or currency at an accelerated rate compared to normal play. At no point does it state that it needs to be automated for it to be classed as bannable.

Really? Log into the client full screen and don't use any outside tools or websites. Tada, everything you are looking at is "normal gameplay".

If you get trillions of ISK, what would you do with it?

If you converted it somehow into real currency then I would think it's breaking the rules.

It's a bit dodgy anyway as you could give it away in-game and those that you give it to could effectively pay you real currency for it outside of the game.

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Not been in the captain's cabin for sometime, but casinos used to be advertised on the screen which would have been before the changes to the bounty system. Back then a lot of the most wanted characters were connected with casinos. So they were tolerated at least in the past.