Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Aegis Sov is Occupancy based . Ideally when you have less systems it should be easy to defend . In reality what happens is that, the less systems you have, more easy you get camped by black ops cynos untill your ADMs go down .

From the Port to the Sanctums all of them are non-gated . Making one Black ops cyno in local, active or passive disrupt ADMs. This makes the defender of ADMs to always commit while the black ops pilots can afk all day until they have the numbers to drop .

This is one of the key reasons to having sov causing more burn to players than sitting in lowsec or npc sov with a small black ops group .

A simple solution is a new class of "single gated" anomalies ( like the special events) with cruiser limitation , which gives isk below havens but has more ewar npc cruisers/frigates . So, to disrupt sov one has to actively bring a fleet to disrupt ADMs rather than passively sit at a pos without risking anything until they have the clear advantage .

This mechanic is already proven in Faction warfare, where there are smaller gated sites that can be done without the risk of running into cynos and Large sites with a possibility of cyno risk .

This problem did not exist in dominion sov as Military and industry index meant nothing for the defense of the system . With more buffs coming to Black ops it will only cause more griefing . Its going to be a lot easier to be a merc and own money moons in different regions and base outta NPC space than actually hold and defend sov .

Posting in a stealth "Cloaky Campers are EVIL!!!!" thread.

watching local has nothing to with someone opening a cyno next to me :) . Watching local when local spikes and losing is different form someone opening a covert cyno next to you . I wish watching local and using dscan were useful tools against covert cynos .

The concern here is not about watching intel chat . In the case of a hired contract to take over sov by mercenaries .

An example scenario is .

A small alliance holds sov over 3 systems with high ADMs . Its relatively easy to place covert cynos in all these 3 systems and there by reducing the ADMs over time . With drop of ADMs creating huge vulnerability windows .

Yes i could have a back up for 4 hrs during my prime time/vul window but after that . yeah . Basically stay docked untill the fleet goes back up in 20 hrs .


And on the contrary to what you say . I live in lowsec and actually the mercenary harrasing the miners and PVEers . Do run my KB to check it out . I am jus looking at the mechanic where i have nothing to lose and guys i am attacking have everything to lose and there is no way for them to defend on off timers, resulting in many players not in their prime time quit the corp/alliance .

That is precisely why its a cloaky camping complaint. Cloaky camping is different in a WH because there is no local. In Null Sec, you can see the guy in local, so you get nervous and don't go out and Rat for your ADMs. The fact that he has a cyno is irrelevant. Any ship can have a cyno, and you should EXPECT any ship in null sec to have a cyno.

Redundant thread. Go see the cloaky camping thread that's stickied at the top of the forum.

Aside from the usual 'remove local and nerf cloaks' and covert ships are weak arguments, having crap adm's doesnt change the fact that your alliance controls when you're structures are vulnerable. You should still be able to turn up for the MULTIPLE Entosis contests.

In nul sec those ships with covert cynos may be able to hide from your eyes and your scanners etc but there is no way in hell they can hide from local, so looking at the presented evidence along with a few simply widely known facts and it quickly becomes obvious that the problem here is you and not game mechanics. The rest leads me to this section of your post.


You keep whinning about the cynos, if that is what you are looking for then you are a failure as a nul sec player and to be honest deserve to get blown up repeatedly. You should be looking at local and the entries in it and given your stated problem with covert cynos if anything that is not blue shows up then you best be on your hobby horse and on the way out of system, because that is the safe thing to do. If you have neutrals or reds showing up in local and you choose to ignore them and get killed as a result that is your problem and it does not require any actions on CCP's part especially creating these new site just fro you.

I see here that you have the whole D-Scan is all you need to be safe in high sec, and that proves that essentially you have no idea what you are talking about. As I write this I am working through a first level 4 mission with a friend so I have lots of time to look around since he is doing the heavy work and I am nothing more than a safety net. Setting D-Scan to about 2 AU and there are more than 20 ships listed among the POS clutter and there is a set of conbat probes listed as well. In other words a pretty average day in this area of high sec, and the answer is no it is not this specific character that is in space
So are those 20 plus ships friend or foe?
Since this is a mission area are those 20 ships mission runners or those out looking to kill mission runners?
Or are they simply players passing through the system on their way to somewhere else?
Is the person with those combat probes using them for general scanning so they can see ships as well as other things?
Are they like a corp mate of mine and using them to find and collect the forgotten drones that littler high sec?
Or do they belong to someone hunting mission runners?
So one could turn to local for some help but then there are 59 characters listed and all of them are white. No red, no yellow, nothing to indicate if they are a real threat of just other players ding what ever they do.

But let's get back to you and recap.
Bad people are able to jump into the system with you.
Those bad people are able to find you in the system, possibly needing to use probes to accomplish it.
They are able to warp to your location.
They are able to find just the right spot and then light the cyno.
Other bad people are able to lock onto and jump to that cyno.
They are then able to uncloak and lock you.
And they do ALL of this BEFORE you even notice them in local.
And not only did they do it once but they do it repeatedly.
And you expect us to have sympathy for you and support your call for nearly 100% safe sites.

Not going to happen is how I would respond so as before I say no to your idea.

As the null carebear you have local, you have intel channels, you have third party maps where you place afk cloaky alts to your own systems and map hostiles in your region, hell those programs even warn you when someone is in your blops range.

At this point, as a whaler, I %100 confirm all the people that I am able to catch WITHOUT cloaky camping their system are complete idiots who could have done only 1 out of 100 things otherwise to not get caught. And the more people get ganked the smarter they get, meanwhile we really dont have much leeway in game mechanics to improve our hunting.

Now the only way to catch non-complete idiots is cloaky camp their system. An small size pve alliance has 40 systems. To lock it down completely you need 40 cloaky alts. Those would take 50 bil per month to sustain. It would take 40 non-afk people or a few people with very powerful FCs that can handle all those clients. Plus combat toons/ships to take your ships down. Plus the value of blopses you lose when you get counterdropped.

Meanwhile if a cloaky alt is camping your system you more or less know which group they belong to. You can always be prepared and bait them. A properly set bait works almost %100 of the time. You can also stop ratting and watch the opposing group bleed tens of billions per month just to cloaky camp your alliance. You must lose alot of ships to them per month for them to loot even the PLEX money for the cloaky alts. It is almost never sustainable. If it was, then you would see everyone doing it everywhere, until nobody is able to rat in null. I know just 1 guy who can do it and sustain even though it still costs him money.

While it is in itself a shame that people has to resort to committing secondary accounts to many systems all the day to actually get kills, you want more security. Meanwhile you might as well ask for more reward for the risk you take. If you argued that the ISK you make compared to the hisec mission/incursion runner is not good enough a reward for you for the risk you take than I would support you. Thats the way eve becomes a sandbox and content is created for everyone. Instead of giving people more means for %100 risk free dank ISK, people should be pushed to take more risk for way better rewards. Make null even less safer, but make it worth taking the risk.

You are the biggest ret**d i have ever seen . Either you have not been in a relatively small alliance or you jus dont dont know how Aegis sov works . I will explain to you what i am doing right now you dumbs***t.

1000 man alliance (A) living in region 1 has eu tz high lives in 1 constellation of 7 systems.

another 1000 man alliance(B) wants to take over this space . But they are in east coast US tz . Now it is very hard for them to attack alliance (A) because the vul window is very small due to very high ADM (6). They have high Military and Industry index .

So what alliance (B) does is it hires my 200 man EU Merc corp to harass the alliance (A). We start cloaky camping the dudes . Now Alliance (A) knows Alliance (B) has hired us to reduce ADMs . So they go out and rat bravely to keep ADMs up . They start losing ships . 1 week passes . 2 week passes . 3 rd week no one comes to Mine . after a month no one comes to rat . ADMs drop to 3 vulnerability window is open for alliance (B) to attack . Alliance (B) attacks in early EST on a weekend and successfully makes a foothold on Alliance (A) turf . NOW!! Alliance(A) is fu**ked.

Now u say like ****** to me " best be on your hobby horse and on the way out of system, because that is the safe thing to do" . DO U THINK IS AN OPTION IN AEGIS SOV ? if you think so . Someone will soon teach you a lesson on how cloaky camping affects your adms . And for the love of god run my killboard . My alliance and myself are now in syndicate we are the mercs u m*r*n. I jus pitty the alliance we tore up .

As a cloaky camper i had nothing to lose in the whole operation . But Alliance ( A) lost ships and lost sov eventually . Lol yes alliance (A) did kill us once or twice with tank fit carriers . But our 20~30 bombers was nothing compared to the ratting battleships and carriers they lost .

I do not care for isk or for what ever carebare sh*t you are talking of . One of the fore most defenses for the defending side in Aegis sov is ADMs capable of creating 1 hr offensive entosis cycle times and 10 min defensive entosis cycles. This discourages assault even more it makes it easier for a wolfpack group to find and destroy hostile entosis .