EVE General Discussion

fhc poster marlona sky, ladies and gentlemen

i just saw a few bad posts and i realized you're bad at posting

It normally just takes one post.

Don't listen to the fools in here suggesting insane nerfs to incursions. The CSM incursion requests seem rather moderate changes. I support the change for instance to prevent blitzing of vanguard sites by shiny fleets. This will almost certainly not affect nonshiny fleets.

The adding more risk part I am against due to more effect on nonshiny fleets. But that can be debated once CCP announces the changes later.

I don't know if this has already been clarified since my last post, but alot of people need to stop thinking of money as an absolute. Its a commodity, just like minerals, pi or mods. It has no inherent value, tho, only what people place in it. If there is alot of isk per player, that value goes down because you don't value it as much.

This is simple economics, people. We should have all learned this in high school. :/

EDIT: and I doubt anyone has a problem with incursions themselves, just the payout because its devaluing every other form of isk making. The change the payouts to be LP heavy and isk light is the best idea overall.

I have faction and deadspace fitted Mach and marauder. On my 4 mission alts I can grind everything everywhere, in the past years I even have done low sec and 0.0 L4s. Yet as big time L4 missioneer I cared for the game I loved more than for my own petty immediate interests (which you evidently don't).

I was one of the 3 guys who got L4s nerfed (too easy, too much ISK, too many minerals at the time => EvE economy was at risk) and seeing how you talk EXACTLY like the past L4 privileged players it means you are defensive and this means you know a nerf is due but want to defend the undefendable.

You are spewing bullcrap to defend your current niche like all the average narrow sighted street guys who see their privileges at risk.
The game economy is at stake and EvE without healthy economy is but an empty sci-fi shell.

Sure, the group :effort: has to be rewarded and pay more than L4s but it should not entice people stopping WH and 0.0 "farming" (because this is what's about) to come hi sec.

Also, even if with 3 accounts was possible to consistently make 100M per hour, it's still 30M per account. Have to refit / reship if it's the case, refill ammo (glass cannon setups use a lot of it), discard the crappy faction / drone / "duo of death" and similar missions cycling them on the other accounts. (Edit: actually NOT using 3 accounts like you say, can net more ISK than that, but that involves multiboxing multi-blitzing, which is not always feasible and some times very hazardous).

3 accounts means buying 3 PLEX not 1.
It means 3 x 500M PLEXes would take 50 hours to be grinded.
At the average CCP published play time (2.5 hours a day per account) it means 20 total days of grinding for the full 2.5 hours.

An hi sec incursion-eer has to grind 1 PLEX and this takes 5 hours or *2* average player playing days.

A time commitment factor of TEN times less than a 2.5h missioneer.

There cannot be anyone so stupid not to see how this is just ********. But this is EvE and like RL, people will defend their niches with teeth and nails, ME ME ME ME! before everyone else in the universe (see how good it did for our world).

No thanks the payouts are fine. Fix the ability of shiny fleets to blitz vanguards and up the value of the higher sites and we are good to go!

There is no evidence of this massive incursion inflation. Otherwise the CSM would be tripping over themselves to get it nerfed.

The payouts for the higher sites is to get the shiny fleets to go to them instead of winning contests in vanguards meant for the less shiny fleets. It will allow the less shiny fleets a chance to run incursions during busy times.

If incursions were actually dangerous, people wouldn't fly expensive ships in them.

Incursion runners think incursions are dangerous because they have never encountered actual danger before. What they actually experience is a small fraction of the danger of normal life in 0.0 or lowsec, except that when they get targeted by awoxers they lose pve ships instead of supercapitals.

Suck it up.

CCP stopped publishing their economics statistics PDF exactly because people with a clue were pointing out what was wrong and this often collided with their priorities.

Also, you don't plot long term trends about high liquidity commodities like PLEX basing on "bittervets" nor "Hulkageddon" nor "Fanfest tickets" nor "incursions".

There's a global balance between money and assets and even between current gamer purchasing possibilities vs mudflation and it's slowly drifting towards depreciating money. Assets are not increasing their material requirements or anything.
Incursions are certainly not the one cause but it's one.




As I posted yesterday, those who don't want to be little grinding ants for their 0.0 overlords have just to man up and find another corporation. Unlike RL, EvE is full of members starved corps who welcome anyone who is not just a little insignificant pawn.

Also, hisec people have to make money but to avoid progression loops they have NOT to entice WH or 0.0 players to "return back to hi sec".

It was BAD when hi sec L4 / L5 were so good to make every 0.0 guy have an hi sec alt. It's actually the reason why CCP introduced all those 0.0 features to entice 0.0 players to "live there", not just to log in their main at corp - op time.

If this happens again, if the WH and 0.0 features stop working because something else is so much better, then that something has to be adjusted till the WH and 0.0 players can measure it's more convenient to stay where they are.





This is not risk. It's about the same order of magnitude of risk you get at disconnecting / getting suicide ganked / scrammed while over-aggroing etc. in a L4.

You WILL prove it's risky when - like in low sec and 0.0 - most have to fly in T2 fittings because the risk is high enough to deter using faction and deadspace fittings.

Until you can fly incursions in faction / deadspace, then it's not risky enough to grant more income than other game situations where you can't fly faction / deadspace.