Ships & Modules

Eh, no, because the first factor (0 / whatever) is then multiplied with the second, which still yields 0.

Come on. Don't flake out of over something as simple as this.

Just accept it: the Zealot has better tracking due to that lower sigres, but the Talos has other strengths in its favour.
Ok.

Zealot: 0.01/0.09 × 125/1000 = 0.013
Talos: 0.01/0.105 × 400/1000 = 0.038

Now, remember — you want to be as close to 0 as possible for the whole equation to come out as 100%. Lower is better.
0.013 < 0.038 by a factor of (drumroll) 2.7.

So in the end (apologies for the 0 borking the math) you see that saying the Zealot tracks a non-existent ship at 1.0 angular velocity better than a Talos is irrelevant and Tippia was lying.

And, chance to hit = (0.5 ^ result), which means the larger number is actually worse when it comes to hitting your target.

I'm assuming we're using chance to hit and tracking interchangeably now since we're introducing more variables to the equation.

Woo, just got done reading all the posts in this thread. Real entertainment here, solid gold. Not sure if tons of stupidity or epic coordinated trolling....


Hooked.

O, and while the talos certainly has good tracking (for BS sized guns), Cyzlaki's arguments are all false regarding zealot vs talos tracking.


Now that I think about it this must be a troll after seeing Cyzlaki's math skills. 9/10?

Why are we still focusing on ~numbers~ when we should be talking about ~ships and modules~?

-Liang

The point you keep missing is that, given the same values for the ship variables, the comparison between the turrets will look exactly the same, and will always come out with the same difference.

The one exception is when angular_v is 0, at which point all turrets get a perfect tracking and a 100% hit chance (if the target is within optimal). This becomes our trivial (and information-free) case.

We can run through your scenario with any non-zero angular_v and sigrad you like — since the ship is constant, we might as well replace all its variables with 1:s because they are also constant. They don't matter. They don't affect the final result.

The target has an angular_v of v; a sigrad of r.
Turret 1 has a tracking of t₁ and a sigres of s₁; turret 2 has a tracking of t₂ and a sigres of s₂.
The tracking formula for #1 is (v/t₁ × s₁/r). The tracking formula for #2 is (v/t₂ × s₂/r)

We want to compare the two turrets — we divide one with the other to get an effectiveness ratio: (v/t₁ × s₁/r) / (v/t₂ × s₂/r)

Oh dear… the same variables occur in the same position in both the dividend and the divisor — those will cancel each other out (and their values won't matter in the end):
(1/t₁ × s₁) / (1/t₂ × s₂) = t₂s₁ / t₁s₂.

Do you see where the 1:s in our “non-existent ship” comes from? They come from it being the same ship being flown against both turrets, so when we compare the turrets, the factors derived from the ship cancel each other out and just become a bunch of 1:s — the original numbers for the ship don't matter. All that matters is the tracking and sigres values of the turret. When creating an “effective tracking” number that we can use across all sizes of turrets to compare them against each other, we just have to look at those two values. In the hit formula, we want the quotient e/t to be as small as possible. If we want to follow a “bigger is better” logic, we have to invert it and thus we get tracking/sigres as our number to be compared.

Zealot: 0.09 rad/s / 125 m = 0.00072 rad/s·m.
Talos: 0.105 rad/s / 400 m = 0.00026 rad/s·m.


Because if we want to understand the benefits of them, it's handy to actually understand why those benefits exists.

It's incorrect so far as comparing a Zealot hitting nothing that exists in game at a 1.0 angular.


I had arrive3d at that conclusion on page 1. It was only one idiot saying otherwise. Anyways as for your Tornado tracking. .062 vs .038 buddy. Although the Talos outdamages it (and everything else) by a fair margin and at similar ranges.

Would it get a higher number if we were warring against each other?

Again, the Talos sports superior range, damage and tracking to the Naga.

And DRONES. You can't emphasize that enough really.

-Liang