Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The problem with this is as a defender you have to have multiple people focused and active for 23.5h/day, while the cloaky camper can be AFK for 23.5h/day minus whatever attack window they choose.

Space should be dangerous, but dangers should be counterable and lead to engaging gameplay not simply lead to who can AFK best. As it stands, the most effort-effective and results-effective ways of countering a cloaky camper is move to another system, don't play or use something that you simply write off as an expendable and still come out ahead.

Being able to actively scan / decloak (on a reasonably slow timer) a cloaky camper actually gives defenders a reason to ship up for PvP and do something and at the same time pushes the dropper to act. Overall it generates conflict and people actively playing and fighting.

Fit prototype cloak -load up to 100 units of stront.
Activate cloak and it consumes 20 stront per 20 minutes for 100 minutes of cloaking.
2 minute reload -autorepeat/reload is default on.
what, it's a pos module. gives you time to safe log your ass from your ss.

Fit improved cloak -load up to 100 units of stront.
Activation consumes 10 stront per 20 minutes for 200 minutes of cloaking... huntable when you run out.
2 minute reload -autorepeat/reload is default on.

Fit covert ops cloak -load up 50 units of stront.
Activation consumes 1 stront per 20 minutes so a load lasts 16 hours.
30s reload cycle -autorepeat/reload is default on.

All of these remove the ability to sit afk for 3-4 days or weeks in some cases and give the cloaky what everyone else in eve was promised from day 1 -no guarantee of safety anywhere if undocked.

The prototype and improved are only marginal defense from a hunter, while the covert ops cloakers -even covert cyno equipped for hot dropping- are able to maintain it most of the day or days if they have enough, but eventually you have to **** or get off the pot -hunter or hunted.

You want eyes on enemies -you might need to rotate your eyes or actually risk your ship and pod.

-no, no request for deployables that interfere with cloak for 100km radius, high slot small/med/large 15/30/45km radius stealth disruptor smartbombs, or POS system-wide decloaker like a cyno blocker.

-yes, yes request for eve to be eve for everyone including the vast number of starter corp cloaky alts. more pvp 4tw.

When a player is in the same system since last evening, I am certain he is afk. I am not talking about roaming gangs? Where in my post did I complain about that?

Yes sure, stop ratting. Great idea. That's why there is 1 afk cloaky amper in each system I presume... ADM's do not increase when Gevlon Goblin throws isk at them. And I defend/rat when I please, what's it to you.

I have nothing against campers, nothing against afk campers, only against afk cloaked campers. And my solution is above. Cloak requires some input every hour, else you get decloaked.
Come and stay afk in my system as long as you like. I'll scan you down eventually. With as many ships as you like. Or not afk. But if you stay afk and cloaked for days - that is threatening me with no risk or effort to you. And go "grr" on reddit that's the perfect place.

I'm OK with 99% of the way cloaks work. I use them and love them, so I'm not in favor of any substantial nerfs. My only complaint is the AFKers.

To those who say when folks are AFK, they aren't a threat: you're not fooling anyone. Since there's no way for the rest of us to actually know if someone is AFK, we must assume they are always a threat. Being in fleet with others ready to help doesn't reduce the risk of getting jumped.

TO CCP: a serious consideration is that AFK cloakie campers can be a significant deterrent to active gameplay, esp. in null. In fact, that's one reason why people are willing to dedicate a character for 8 or 12 weeks or more, for the sole purpose of AFK harassment, driving down indexes, and so on. It's not fun for anyone (even the AFKer!), and driving folks away from Eve doesn't help CCP. Now that you have those very nice timers (such as for jump fatigue), adding one for cloaking should be pretty low-effort.

Yes, yes, I know about plans for some sort of ihub or other system-level "plug-in" or structure to make cloakers easier to find -- or something along those lines. I would love to know more, but from what I've heard so far, that sounds more like a local-but-real cloak nerf, as opposed to a timer, which would really just require someone to not be AFK. (maybe give WHs an exception to the timer, since they have unique requirements).

(oh, and FWIW, having cloaks burn fuel would basically be a nerf, too, since it would mean ships would need room for the fuel, they would have to occasionally get more somehow, and so on).

There is always a risk of being jumped. I could be waiting on the other side of a WH, I could have logged out in system yesterday, I could be on the other side of a gate, I could have a pod/ship in your station from back in the day, waiting to JC in at the right time, etc. Null is supposed to be dangerous. ATM it's virtually safer than HS.

Local is an intel tool that keeps PvE in null safe 100% of the time if they are paying attention. Nerf local along with cloaks and we can start to talk.



This highlights the bigger problem with null right now. If you aren't big enough to have multiple people online 23.5/7 and can't defend your space at a moment's notice, why did you choose to live in player owned space? That either means you're too small, or have too many systems.

Being able to hunt scouts while cloaked simply means major null groups could overrun anyone before the intel that's needed for bigger fights is gathered. That's a nerf to content and adds to stagnation that's currently being caused by risk averse null groups.

Nope. Nerfing the game play of active players to get at AFK cloakers is bad game design.

As for a defense fleet and your Ishtar...rule 1, do not fly what you cannot afford to lose.

BTW, I do....errr did PI with hostile cloakers in system. Not hard. Use bounces, a cloak of your own, and some extra patience.

Edit: Oh and how in the Hell are you plexing 50 accounts while all your accounts are AFK cloaking 23.5/7? Hyperbole much?

Oh, and why the f**k are you not in Saranen?

STFU, STFD, and GTFIF.

Because keeping eyes on a system is generally an alt's job; for some of us with only one screen we have to ALT-TAB.

Unless you can come up with a good reason why this HAS to be tedious, don't make it so. Unless remaining under cloak is the issue (which it ain't), then requiring keyboard input is just an arbitrary, artificial construct to prevent its use in a way you don't like.

It'd be like forbidding people to change buy orders more than once a day. Why? "Just because I don't like it".

Quite frankly, whether someone is at his keyboard or not is none of your freaking business. If it were, you can remove the autopilot as well. Sometimes people only keep half an eye at the screen while mainly performing other tasks - either on another character or totally out of game. If they're in a safe location, such as docked, POSsed or cloaked, it is perfectly fine to do so.

I don't even have to explain why I want to log in and not perform any action. Maybe I want to re-read the chatlogs in local when I get home? Maybe I don't like the gatecamp I'm seeing and I think it's best to return in three hours or so.

When I tell you to stop ratting you say "what I do is my business". And you're right - it is.
Now I'm telling you that whatever I do or don't do cloaked, is my business.

Me being there doesn't prevent you from ratting. Unless .... (and here's the rub - there's always a rub) ... unless you're ratting AFK and you didn't see the cloakie decloak. Because if you did, and you were aligned, you'd still be long gone before out targeting delay expires. See how beautiful it all comes together? I sense an AFK ratter in our midst, boys! If not AFK, then at the very least multiboxing. 300 pages should have taught you a thing or two on how we feel about ISK Printers in this thread.

He won't be ratting much longer. Soon he'll have more than a cloaky in his system to worry about.

No. After 1 hour I said there should be a time interval you have to press the button, you are not deckloaked instantly. Let's say you have 10 minutes to press it. Then you get dekloaked. What critical point? Add even a sound effect to it so it allerts you you have to press the button. I don't care. Maybe even an option to log out in space after a set time, so if the cloak runs out you are still safe.