Ships & Modules

yeah fit it like a vaga tbh armor fits aren't viable in PVP unless you're in a AHAC blob.

you do have the right idea.
if you are looking for a cheap vagabond stabber fleet and nano cane is what you want.

many armor tank it. cause they use it as heavy tackle.
it is very easy to get under large guns in it. so when you are trying to bump ships off gate you dont have to worry about scrams and webbs as much.

Personally it does very little in a shield fit that isnt surpassed by other cruiser/battlecruiser hulls.

People armour fit the Stabber Fleet Issue for a number of reasons.

- Tracking Bonus works better and is in intended for face hugging range.
- Low sig means you can mess up the tracking of your opponents turrets
- Its still one of the fastest cruisers even with a plate and armor rigs
- You can dual prop it, this makes it an absolute beast when combined with other things above.

That fits

Only have experience with tricking out the Nomen, its a chore and half .. if FiS is able to run DR/DP+inject and still be able to fit proper sized guns then something is waaaaay off if you ask me.

Nerf them! Or better yet, nerf autos by increasing grid requirement.

@OP: Vaga FiS can work but dies horribly if caught. It was designed to be armour tanked and the most common one seen in FW is a buffer fit that takes ages to get rid of .. beauty of them, and why I hate them so, is that they do a better job at killing frigates than dessies do .. that tracking bonus makes their autos behave like they are firing claymore mines instead of slugs.

Although it is a great fit it has fairly terrible cap even with the booster and its dps isn't much better, and also well active tants....

Certainly doesn't need a nerf, even fittings wise. That barely fits.

Mind you what do I care I fly Hookbills, frigates etc.

the first part is very true. also with 1 sebo on you have the scan res of a frig.

the 2nd part is not true. you do not blow up the hidden gems you exchange them with the other little gems, the super sick align time and enough lows for TE for more real dps or nanos for speed and even faster align.

op is about cheap mans vagabond which this ship does better than the nano cane imo and doesnt cost alot more.

In spirit of full disclosure I should probably tell you I am no pro. I am rather new, but I try and pvp with the big boys. Also I've almost got killed by a Fleet Issue Stabber (referred to as FIS from now on), that was fit like a vaga. I don't know if he made a mistake or like the Grinch his heart grew 3 sizes that day, but right before I got into hull he lost/dropped target on me and I was already aligned out ready to warp.

Now with that being said people telling you a shield tanked cane is a better poor-man's vagabond are leading you in the wrong direction. I do love me a hurricane, but it's played way different than a vagabond. Even a vagabond with a shield tank is referred to as a speed tank, isn't it? The whole point of playing a vagabond is to not get hit. Orbiting an enemy at 23km at whatever crazy speed a MWD'ed vaga goes makes you pretty hard to hit. A hurricane can't get the speed to do this. It's fast among other BCs, but many cruisers/frigs can out run the quickest hurricane. Vagabonds can out run most anything including frigs/cruisers.

A FIS has pretty similar speed to a vaga. If my memory serves me correctly it may even be a wee bit faster. A FIS can be speed tanked with astronautical rigs and a MWD. The big difference would be in the T1 shield resists. If all goes according to plan, the shield resists won't be a factor. If you make an error, or they bring a ship to the party with similar speed or a ship with crazy tracking bonuses, you're in trouble. The FIS is going to be a lot less forgiving than a vaga, your window of opportunity to GTFO will be much smaller.

Flying a speed tank vaga (especially in a solo situation) is a very effective but hard way to play, it requires much skill. Personally I don't think my abilities are there to fly either a FIS or a vaga in a PvP setting. If you're incredibly talented PvP pilot the FIS could be a poor man's vagabond, it will do the job and you will be hard to hit. If you're likely to make a few mistakes, the FIS will turn into a rich mans vaga because it's squishy.

That's my take on the situation.

downgrade dcu to meta 3-4