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How often citadels can change owner?
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Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#1 - 2016-04-08 18:12:57 UTC
As the title say, I am interested to know how often it would be possible to change the incoming citadels ownership.

I recall reading that it is possible to pass the control (and I suppose the ownership) of a citadel to a new entity. But there is a time limit for that or a requirement of some kind?

If not, high sec citadels would be invulnerable. Your corp has been wardecced? Switch ownership to a new corp.
Kieron VonDeux
#2 - 2016-04-08 19:41:08 UTC
I'm not sure it would be fair to prevent structure transfer when at war since some organizations are nearly always at war.

Report this the first time someone does it as a result of your declaration of war and it should get taken care of.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2016-04-08 19:47:18 UTC
CCP has stated that you will not be able to transfer ownership with a live or pending war.

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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#4 - 2016-04-08 22:13:11 UTC
In other words major citadel owners will be insta-decked by 1 man corps.... it's the way EVE happens, create a mechanic and someone will abuse it.
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#5 - 2016-04-08 22:26:54 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
In other words major citadel owners will be insta-decked by 1 man corps.... it's the way EVE happens, create a mechanic and someone will abuse it.

Just make sure you don't own a citadel you want to give away then.

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-04-08 22:33:20 UTC
Personally, I think it should follow corp wardec rules. Wardec's follow the citadel to its new owners for 1 week. Continuing requires starting another war.

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Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2016-04-08 23:07:11 UTC
Considering how a citadel like Keepstar (X-Large) will cost aprox. 100 trillion (CCP estimate), it definately shouldn't be an easy task to take over.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2016-04-08 23:47:21 UTC
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In other words major citadel owners will be insta-decked by 1 man corps.... it's the way EVE happens, create a mechanic and someone will abuse it.


What on earth is a single pilot going to do against any of the Citadels?

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#9 - 2016-04-09 00:21:51 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:

What on earth is a single pilot going to do against any of the Citadels?

With the current numbers, M Citadels will be attackable by a solo pilot just fine. Obviously this depends on CCP's final stats, but the current defences on Citadels in Highsec are laughable once you actually look at application.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2016-04-09 01:33:52 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
In other words major citadel owners will be insta-decked by 1 man corps.... it's the way EVE happens, create a mechanic and someone will abuse it.


Same as players would abuse the mechanic to transfer citadels to make them invulnerable. I'd prefer an abusable mechanic where those things can be attacked at any time over one where they cannot be attacked at all.

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Intandofisa
#11 - 2016-04-09 03:25:19 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
In other words major citadel owners will be insta-decked by 1 man corps.... it's the way EVE happens, create a mechanic and someone will abuse it.
Remove the "ab".

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Pryce Caesar
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-04-09 03:41:53 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Considering how a citadel like Keepstar (X-Large) will cost aprox. 100 trillion (CCP estimate), it definately shouldn't be an easy task to take over.


Actually, that's the Upwell Palatine Keepstar (read: super-buffed there-can-only-be-one "Faction" Citadel). I think the regular Keepstar is within the same price range of a regular Titan (or at least 1.5 times more expensive to build).

To people talking about Citadels in High-Sec, are you certain that a single player can take one on based on High-Sec applications? The only deficit a Citadel would have would be to any weapon modules that'd be illegal in High sec (e.g. bombs and XL Doomsdays).

For that matter, how are Keepstars allowed in High-Sec? They'd basically be invulnerable to anything outside of a massive fleet of Battleships, since Dreads and other Capitals can't fight in High-Sec.
Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#13 - 2016-04-09 07:00:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Shayla Etherodyne
Pryce Caesar wrote:


For that matter, how are Keepstars allowed in High-Sec? They'd basically be invulnerable to anything outside of a massive fleet of Battleships, since Dreads and other Capitals can't fight in High-Sec.



AFAIK only XL can have markets. Not allowing citadel markets in High Sec defeat some of the citadels goals.
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#14 - 2016-04-09 15:58:41 UTC
Pryce Caesar wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Considering how a citadel like Keepstar (X-Large) will cost aprox. 100 trillion (CCP estimate), it definately shouldn't be an easy task to take over.


Actually, that's the Upwell Palatine Keepstar (read: super-buffed there-can-only-be-one "Faction" Citadel). I think the regular Keepstar is within the same price range of a regular Titan (or at least 1.5 times more expensive to build).

To people talking about Citadels in High-Sec, are you certain that a single player can take one on based on High-Sec applications? The only deficit a Citadel would have would be to any weapon modules that'd be illegal in High sec (e.g. bombs and XL Doomsdays).

For that matter, how are Keepstars allowed in High-Sec? They'd basically be invulnerable to anything outside of a massive fleet of Battleships, since Dreads and other Capitals can't fight in High-Sec.



Citadels do not auto defend like a POS does. Someone actually has to man the guns. If there is nobody online, the station doesn't shoot back at you. So you can sit there even in a bomber and chuck torps at it till it dies.

I personally like this mechanic, as it will prevent 1 man corps from littering up hi sec with a whole bunch of med citadels.

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2016-04-09 16:18:44 UTC
BuckStrider wrote:
Citadels do not auto defend like a POS does. Someone actually has to man the guns. If there is nobody online, the station doesn't shoot back at you. So you can sit there even in a bomber and chuck torps at it till it dies.

I personally like this mechanic, as it will prevent 1 man corps from littering up hi sec with a whole bunch of med citadels.


Exactly. And frankly, with the 24 hour warning in case of a war dec and the vulnerability windows, anyone owning a citadel in highsec should be able to at least man the guns and defend against a single attacker at some point during the whole process. If he's not, he's barely playing the game anyway and should not build a citadel - at least not an XL one. Due to their price and huge vulnerability window, I'd say they are tailored to larger corporations anyway, who will probably have someone around to man the guns at all times.

On the point of XL Citadels in Highsec - according to the Dev Blogs, destroying an XL Citadel in 30 minutes will take 60000DPS, which is where the damage mitigation will kick in anyway. Assuming you are uncontested, you can do that with 60 Oracles. Or 30 Oracles in an hour. Or 15 Oracles in two. Considering an XL Citadel will probably cost the same as a Titan, that's ok in my book. If you don't have the means to field a couple dozen battlecruisers, you have no business attacking a 70 billion ISK citadel anyway. You probably wouldn't kill a titan with 3 dudes either.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#16 - 2016-04-09 19:32:19 UTC
BuckStrider wrote:
Citadels do not auto defend like a POS does. Someone actually has to man the guns. If there is nobody online, the station doesn't shoot back at you. So you can sit there even in a bomber and chuck torps at it till it dies.

... for one hour a day, for four days.
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#17 - 2016-04-09 20:25:29 UTC
Pryce Caesar wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Considering how a citadel like Keepstar (X-Large) will cost aprox. 100 trillion (CCP estimate), it definately shouldn't be an easy task to take over.


Actually, that's the Upwell Palatine Keepstar (read: super-buffed there-can-only-be-one "Faction" Citadel). I think the regular Keepstar is within the same price range of a regular Titan (or at least 1.5 times more expensive to build).

To people talking about Citadels in High-Sec, are you certain that a single player can take one on based on High-Sec applications? The only deficit a Citadel would have would be to any weapon modules that'd be illegal in High sec (e.g. bombs and XL Doomsdays).

For that matter, how are Keepstars allowed in High-Sec? They'd basically be invulnerable to anything outside of a massive fleet of Battleships, since Dreads and other Capitals can't fight in High-Sec.



Yes, you can put Keepstars in Highsec. They currently cost roughly 135 Billion.

Also, Highsec Citadels dont get any of the heavy weaponry that lowsec and nullsec ones do. No guided bombs, no bouncing AOE DD's, no XL energy Neutralizers, no repulsor generators. They only get the normal Ewar and then the really weak missile launchers. They will be extremely easy to tank.

Shayla Etherodyne wrote:
Pryce Caesar wrote:


For that matter, how are Keepstars allowed in High-Sec? They'd basically be invulnerable to anything outside of a massive fleet of Battleships, since Dreads and other Capitals can't fight in High-Sec.



AFAIK only XL can have markets. Not allowing citadel markets in High Sec defeat some of the citadels goals.


Larges can have markets.
W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-04-09 20:45:06 UTC
Who says the person in the 1 player Corp is ever going to attack the darn thing? An alt of a well off alliance or Corp leader could easily afford to permadec a citadel out of spite just so they can't move or sell it. Or just for lols since they don't care for the people that own it. Essentially walking up and putting your own lock on someone else's bicycle on the bike rack.

You know it will happen lol.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-04-09 21:28:01 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Quote:
In other words major citadel owners will be insta-decked by 1 man corps.... it's the way EVE happens, create a mechanic and someone will abuse it.


What on earth is a single pilot going to do against any of the Citadels?




Make it perma-nontransferable.

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Red zeon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2016-04-11 08:42:21 UTC
dont they only have a 3h vulnerability window on a week?
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