EVE General Discussion

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DUST failed not because of cheating or because of PS3s become obsolete.

It failed because its biggest selling point, interaction with EVE, was non existent.

Instead of tying in with the true battleground of EVE, ie Nullsec, they went for a tie in with a little-used, considered a joke by most players, worthless feature of the game - Factional Warfare. For those that dont play eve, factional warfare is regarded as 'pvp lite', 'newbie pvp', and the like. It is merely a place people can fight in small-size ships and earn 'loyalty points' that can be traded in for bigger ships of average power, that noone in the real PVP universe uses. Heard of the current 'Money Badgers Alliance vs The Imperium' war? Exactly 0 ships from Factional Warfare have been used or destroyed in what is now the biggest conflict in Eve, and hence in all of gaming history.

You seem riled up, I've never heard fw called "PvP lite" or "newbie PvP". Actually fw is where you can get PvP without jumping 20 systems into null for every bear to dock up the second you land in an Intel channel.

Have you ever tried fw? And really I'm glad CCP is dedicating their resources to the flagship game(read:Eve) because if they dedicated that much time to a game that is free to play, I would ask that they get their head checked.

I wouldn't call DUST 514 or the 23 million $ World of Darkness MMO "little projects". Valkyrie started as a little porject and Gunjack is a diminutive game, and their success relies on a new technology which faces its own challenges.

Now, CCP got serious money for VR some months ago, but what will come from that is uncertain, starting with VR itself. So far, CCP is a one trick pony which has only had one large success in the videogame industry and has failed even expanding that success into a different demographic (Walking in Stations anyone?).

What I would really like would be an integration of the DUST engine into EVE.

They have the Engine for a shooter and the out of Pod game is near to non exitent. Maybe there are other ways to conquere a citadel then blowing it up? Bars, Dancing, Meeting Friends with Avatars, Parties, Strip-Clubs, Stock-Exchange, restaurants, Gang-Wars in Citadels, Infiltration and Sabotage.
IMHO EVE need some brushing up, the presentation is as thrilling as an Exel spreadsheet for the most complex game on planet Earth. So you will maybe make some shady deals in a sleezy bar or sell corporate stocks in a lush restaurant.

I would not have tied my horse to a console. While it can be successful, it generally isn't unless it expands to other platforms. DUST could have been PS3 specific for a year, then should have moved to XBOX, STEAM and PC. It also should have had tighter integration with EVE and been a common site in at least 1 out of 3 systems.

Now that it is dead, it should be resurrected directly into EVE and become the foundation for a First or Third person experience for the game. This would bring it up to being on Par with similar space MMO's. It might also inject a much needed story telling line for the ship and industry side of EVE.

This, they killed it before they ever wrote the first line of code.

Talk about bad decisions.

I might have tried it if it was on PC...

If stations can mount shields that are totally invulnerable to our weapons it stands to reason that planetary installations could also do the same.


I agree, I think this is the main reason it never went further. You can't have ground troops messing with your stuff in any sort of meaningful way when most of the playerbase doesn't even have the capability to play the same game.

Actually... you've got a point there, I hadn't considered planetary shields (global or localized). Gotta be careful not to turn them into dyson spheres, and I would imagine a dread or titan should still be able to punch through eventually.

Though that does raise some questions regarding the current form of orbital bombardment - are we to assume that the battlefield locations are simply unshielded while other locations are? Or are the ground troops that call for a bombardment also by implication calling for the shields to temporarily drop at that location?

I played Dust. Since it came out. It was a solid enough shooter, though it was a bit rough around the edges. The lure of potential interaction, a game that was more than just double-kill, triple-kill games of one after another with no real "point" was enough of a draw to get me back into the first person shooter scene that I left when Quake 3 came out.

*Correction* I forgot that I actually spent a lot of time with the Halo series' multiplayer, so Quake 3 wasn't in fact the last "proper" foray into shooters...

They had some excellent ideas I've never seen in a shooter before:

The dropsuits - absolutely wonderful idea - they took the concept of choosing a weapon and let you choose everything as to how your avatar interacted with the world (within set limits) from speed, range, accuracy, damage, jumping height, stamina, hit points, damage resistance, radar visibility. Almost anything could be changed and meant that you could actually play a first person shooter how you wanted to play it. Something that I haven't really seen done properly before or since - though I'm willing to be told otherwise because I'd rather remove my own genitals with a rusty spork than play COD or Battlefield these days.

The mechanism for WP - you could top the leaderboard in a way that wasn't highest kills - Assists granted you WP, repairing, taking locations, hacking sites, dropping spawn points for your team, re-arming. The number of ways you could gain points was wonderful and refreshing compared with games where the only thing that mattered was your K/D ratio. Mine was rubbish, but I always came in the top half or top quarter of battles because I spent my time doing logistics and letting people spawn in intelligent places.

There were some issues with the mechanics and some massive abuses like the annoying mario clones that were incredibly annoying on a console and there were balance issues, but overall they had some great ideas and I understand their desire to slowly move with the integration so that they didn't damage the existing game that was Eve.

For me the only true mistake they made was not putting it on the PC. XBOX was never really an option because of the control that was demanded by M$ as I understand (namely, that M$ wanted full access to the servers, which CCP were never going to agree to, that's why it went to PS3 in the first place), but not putting it on PC was a cardinal sin and sadly killed the game. I'm really hoping they learn from it with the successor that they claim is being developed, Project Totally-Not-Legion and I will almost certainly play it when it comes out.

Dust failed because they released it on an inferior piece of tech with worse resolution and graphics then a toaster oven.

Also nothing wrong with FW. It's no commitment pvp neither bad or good just fills a pvp quota.