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Something to prevent typos on market orders
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FasterThanLight
Bahama Investments
#1 - 2016-04-04 07:15:12 UTC
I was updating my market orders today. There was an item with buy/sell of 95k/198k. I modified my buy order to 950k instead of 95k. There were 500 items and by just one little misclick i lost around 350m isk. .__.


The current "price is xx% above/below region average" is just not quite effective enough at preventing this since it appears on a number of "legit" orders too. I would like to see a system that effectively prevents me from setting up these orders if it detects that the price i have set is roughly 10x larger/smaller than on the previous buy/sell order. Or alternatively setting up a buy order of 950k isk for an item you can directly buy for 198k would lead you to you buying that item for 198k, not 950k. Nobody in their senses would buy an item for 950k if you can just one-click buy it for 198k.

How many bittervets does it take to change a lightbulb? It doesnt matter, bittervets like the lightbulb as it is: broken.
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#2 - 2016-04-04 07:22:16 UTC
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Something to prevent typos on market orders

You need to fit a Mark 1 Brain to a head slot and run an Attention script.

That will solve your issues.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-04-04 08:27:24 UTC
Attention to detail.

Something everyone can have without paying for CCP to develop. Issue resolved.

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Iain Cariaba
#4 - 2016-04-04 08:37:08 UTC
FasterThanLight wrote:
I would like to see a system that effectively prevents me from setting up these orders if it detects that the price i have set is roughly 10x larger/smaller than on the previous buy/sell order. Or alternatively setting up a buy order of 950k isk for an item you can directly buy for 198k would lead you to you buying that item for 198k, not 950k. Nobody in their senses would buy an item for 950k if you can just one-click buy it for 198k.

This feature already exists. It's called being smart enough to double check your numbers before clicking ok. Oddly enough, this takes less time than reading and clearing a pop-up warning window.
FasterThanLight
Bahama Investments
#5 - 2016-04-04 10:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: FasterThanLight
Iain Cariaba wrote:
FasterThanLight wrote:
I would like to see a system that effectively prevents me from setting up these orders if it detects that the price i have set is roughly 10x larger/smaller than on the previous buy/sell order. Or alternatively setting up a buy order of 950k isk for an item you can directly buy for 198k would lead you to you buying that item for 198k, not 950k. Nobody in their senses would buy an item for 950k if you can just one-click buy it for 198k.

This feature already exists. It's called being smart enough to double check your numbers before clicking ok. Oddly enough, this takes less time than reading and clearing a pop-up warning window.



I guess you have never made a mistake then. Good for you. As for us regular mortals, I may update my orders several thousand times each day. Errare humanum est and failing just one time in ten thousand can result in an enormous isk loss. Also, CCP can reimburse reprocessed items. They can also reimburse lost sp if i forget to reactivate skill training after a clone jump and a bunch of other things, but they never reverse market transactions for reasons i understand: it does not involve just me and anyone could have those items right now.

How many bittervets does it take to change a lightbulb? It doesnt matter, bittervets like the lightbulb as it is: broken.
Iain Cariaba
#6 - 2016-04-04 11:19:14 UTC
FasterThanLight wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
FasterThanLight wrote:
I would like to see a system that effectively prevents me from setting up these orders if it detects that the price i have set is roughly 10x larger/smaller than on the previous buy/sell order. Or alternatively setting up a buy order of 950k isk for an item you can directly buy for 198k would lead you to you buying that item for 198k, not 950k. Nobody in their senses would buy an item for 950k if you can just one-click buy it for 198k.

This feature already exists. It's called being smart enough to double check your numbers before clicking ok. Oddly enough, this takes less time than reading and clearing a pop-up warning window.



I guess you have never made a mistake then. Good for you. As for us regular mortals, I may update my orders several thousand times each day. Errare humanum est and failing just one time in ten thousand can result in an enormous isk loss. Also, CCP can reimburse reprocessed items. They can also reimburse lost sp if i forget to reactivate skill training after a clone jump and a bunch of other things, but they never reverse market transactions for reasons i understand: it does noot involve just me and anyone could have those items right now.

Nope, I make mistakes all the time. The apparent difference between you and I is that I learn from my mistakes, so I do not make them again. I don't ask others to protect me from myself.
FasterThanLight
Bahama Investments
#7 - 2016-04-04 11:52:28 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
FasterThanLight wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
FasterThanLight wrote:
I would like to see a system that effectively prevents me from setting up these orders if it detects that the price i have set is roughly 10x larger/smaller than on the previous buy/sell order. Or alternatively setting up a buy order of 950k isk for an item you can directly buy for 198k would lead you to you buying that item for 198k, not 950k. Nobody in their senses would buy an item for 950k if you can just one-click buy it for 198k.

This feature already exists. It's called being smart enough to double check your numbers before clicking ok. Oddly enough, this takes less time than reading and clearing a pop-up warning window.



I guess you have never made a mistake then. Good for you. As for us regular mortals, I may update my orders several thousand times each day. Errare humanum est and failing just one time in ten thousand can result in an enormous isk loss. Also, CCP can reimburse reprocessed items. They can also reimburse lost sp if i forget to reactivate skill training after a clone jump and a bunch of other things, but they never reverse market transactions for reasons i understand: it does noot involve just me and anyone could have those items right now.

Nope, I make mistakes all the time. The apparent difference between you and I is that I learn from my mistakes, so I do not make them again. I don't ask others to protect me from myself.

Well, i am asking and there is nothing wrong with that. Also, these two things are not exclusive. If it was possible, i would program a mod to prevent me from making this mistake in the future because thousands of consecutive repetetive tasks are tend to have a low, yet unacceptably high rate of error for a human.

How many bittervets does it take to change a lightbulb? It doesnt matter, bittervets like the lightbulb as it is: broken.
Cristl
#8 - 2016-04-04 12:05:19 UTC
The entry dialog box could surely use a font that's more than 5 pixels tall. Having to take your glasses off and stick your face up to the screen sucks.
Iain Cariaba
#9 - 2016-04-04 19:36:49 UTC
FasterThanLight wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
FasterThanLight wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
FasterThanLight wrote:
I would like to see a system that effectively prevents me from setting up these orders if it detects that the price i have set is roughly 10x larger/smaller than on the previous buy/sell order. Or alternatively setting up a buy order of 950k isk for an item you can directly buy for 198k would lead you to you buying that item for 198k, not 950k. Nobody in their senses would buy an item for 950k if you can just one-click buy it for 198k.

This feature already exists. It's called being smart enough to double check your numbers before clicking ok. Oddly enough, this takes less time than reading and clearing a pop-up warning window.



I guess you have never made a mistake then. Good for you. As for us regular mortals, I may update my orders several thousand times each day. Errare humanum est and failing just one time in ten thousand can result in an enormous isk loss. Also, CCP can reimburse reprocessed items. They can also reimburse lost sp if i forget to reactivate skill training after a clone jump and a bunch of other things, but they never reverse market transactions for reasons i understand: it does noot involve just me and anyone could have those items right now.

Nope, I make mistakes all the time. The apparent difference between you and I is that I learn from my mistakes, so I do not make them again. I don't ask others to protect me from myself.

Well, i am asking and there is nothing wrong with that. Also, these two things are not exclusive. If it was possible, i would program a mod to prevent me from making this mistake in the future because thousands of consecutive repetetive tasks are tend to have a low, yet unacceptably high rate of error for a human.

Yet it is already within your power to reduce the rate of error down to basically zero, without a coded solution.
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#10 - 2016-04-04 19:43:47 UTC
FasterThanLight wrote:
I guess you have never made a mistake then. Good for you. As for us regular mortals, I may update my orders several thousand times each day.


With that much practice, you think you would have learned how to double check the prices of your orders.
FasterThanLight
Bahama Investments
#11 - 2016-04-04 20:43:34 UTC
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
FasterThanLight wrote:
I guess you have never made a mistake then. Good for you. As for us regular mortals, I may update my orders several thousand times each day.


With that much practice, you think you would have learned how to double check the prices of your orders.


I have. That is why I have made this mistake only twice in seven years. Its relative rarity doesnt make it any less annoying.

How many bittervets does it take to change a lightbulb? It doesnt matter, bittervets like the lightbulb as it is: broken.
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#12 - 2016-04-04 20:56:01 UTC
FasterThanLight wrote:
I have. That is why I have made this mistake only twice in seven years. Its relative rarity doesnt make it any less annoying.


This game is built around actions and mistakes having very real consequences. Market trading isn't immune to that, in my mind.

Sorry, but still -1
FasterThanLight
Bahama Investments
#13 - 2016-04-04 20:59:11 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:

Yet it is already within your power to reduce the rate of error down to basically zero, without a coded solution.

Imagine that there is a 0.01% probability for your cars brakes to fail every time you brake. That is basically zero, right? Nevertheless after enough driving they will fail and you find yourself in a hospital and think that 0.01% is still too high even though it is basically zero.

How many bittervets does it take to change a lightbulb? It doesnt matter, bittervets like the lightbulb as it is: broken.
FasterThanLight
Bahama Investments
#14 - 2016-04-04 21:05:38 UTC
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
FasterThanLight wrote:
I have. That is why I have made this mistake only twice in seven years. Its relative rarity doesnt make it any less annoying.


This game is built around actions and mistakes having very real consequences. Market trading isn't immune to that, in my mind.

Sorry, but still -1


This does encourage using market bots to 0.01isk. I doubt they make costly mistakes like this.

How many bittervets does it take to change a lightbulb? It doesnt matter, bittervets like the lightbulb as it is: broken.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#15 - 2016-04-04 22:07:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
FasterThanLight wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:

Yet it is already within your power to reduce the rate of error down to basically zero, without a coded solution.

Imagine that there is a 0.01% probability for your cars brakes to fail every time you brake. That is basically zero, right? Nevertheless after enough driving they will fail and you find yourself in a hospital and think that 0.01% is still too high even though it is basically zero.
Brakes are a consumable item, should be inspected regularly and have an expected service life, if you neglect them and end up in the nearest hedge then the fault is yours.

Likewise, if you make a mistake in Eve because you weren't paying attention to the UI then the problem is with you, not the UI.

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Kovl
Jita Flipping Inc.
#16 - 2016-04-04 22:49:35 UTC
Your solution to the problem is called elinor-reloaded (or old elinor, or evernus builtin):

http://elinor.slivo.fr/downloads/
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#17 - 2016-04-05 13:47:17 UTC
FasterThanLight wrote:
This does encourage using market bots to 0.01isk. I doubt they make costly mistakes like this.


Don't be ridiculous. No one scripts a program to do 0.01isk-ing simply because they are afraid of mistyping a price.