EVE General Discussion

The average industrial orientated player in EVE Online is not going to like this risk element one bit methinks. I would suggest you consider allowing players to continue to be able to unanchor expensive infrastructure prior to wardecs beginning. The alternative is that EVE Online will likely leech even more player numbers than we already have .

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Players will go elsewhere if they are forced to do something they don't want to do. My two cents for what they are worth.

There is nothing preventing an industrialist from taking their valuable blueprints out of a Citadel at risk, that's how it is with the current POS system.

Just as you quickly move PI into the POCO as your Viator dies on a lowsec pick up, or you pull implants from a scrammed pod, so too you'll have to kill the research and move your blueprints to safety. The citadel is just disposable hull, nothing more. Once you learn to think of your POS/Citadel this way, you'll learn to enjoy the game far more.

The industrial cat and mouse game is a lot of fun, get in the game and just let it go! After all they're only space pixels.

Taking down a POS (or part of a POS) for a wardec is defending it. You're defending your assets by securing them in a station.

It might not be what YOU want me to do. But just because you want to blow up my stuff doesn't mean I have to let you.

The downside to taking down a POS (or citadel) of course is that you can't use it while it's down. Yes this is a PVP centric game. But it's a SANDBOX pvp game. Let me play in my sandbox how I want to. It just seems an arbitrary rule that you can't take down a citadel whenever you want, even mid-wardec. Sure make it so you can't drop it while its being attacked.

I just don't see any good reason to arbitrarily restrict structures from coming down because someone declared war on you.

You say defend your assets, I say removing them from the field is a perfectly valid form of defense.

What happen to the items stored in a citadel or those sold in its market when ti is unanchored?
Or when a module is removed?

They go into the asset recovery system.
If the market is removed they may simply be all cancelled orders but if it is unanchored they go into recovery.

Not jet logged in singularity after my return. So, how it work?
Where I recover my stuff?

To put another way: it can become a system to "teleport" items? Or it end in a virtual or real container in that area of space?
How do you access it?
Depending on how it work recovering fitting ships can be very complicated or way too easy.

Not jet logged in singularity after my return. So, how it work?
Where I recover my stuff?

To put another way: it can become a system to "teleport" items? Or it end in a virtual or real container in that area of space?
How do you access it?
Depending on how it work recovering fitting ships can be very complicated or way too easy.

10% fee for transport to nearest empire station (although they might change this because it would be very predictable) or zero fee if you build a similar structure in the same system.

In cases where items are delivered to a NPC station, players will need to pay an ISK fee based on a percentage of moved item market value (numbers we are considering are around 10% price fee).

"Market value" is wonderfully variable. What is the market value of stuff that i sold only through contracts? Regional average or server average? There is a blog defining how it is determined?

A minimum recovery time, based on the distance between origin and destination, calculated in light years. There will be a minimum time enforced, even if items are recovered within the same system: current number is 5 days minimum, up to 20 days for the longest distances. A choice doesn’t have to be picked after the recovery time has elapsed, players may wait more before picking a recovery option. If the chosen destination structure is blown up before the recovery time has elapsed, it will not reset – a new structure can be picked after the remaining time is gone All items:

Are automatically delivered as a single package which has to be opened, like courier contract plastic wraps. This is done not to overwhelm, confuse or mix items that are being delivered with ones already in place in the hangar.
Owners can pick one item at a time to extract from the package if they so wish. In that case, pricing will be calculated on selected items. This done to allow users to get separate items out if they cannot pay the fee for the whole batch if items are delivered to a NPC station.
Items with exclusive sizes will have restriction on delivery, which mainly includes capital and supercapitals. For example, a titan that was lost inside a Citadel XL structure cannot be delivered to a NPC station or any other Citadel size than XL. Furthermore, a capital or supercapital ship cannot be delivered to high-sec.
When the structure is destroyed all items stay inside containers, but lose password or lock protection.
Corporation hangar items need proper roles to be delivered. Due to the nature of the recovery it is critical access is properly filtered to avoid thefts.

Not too bad

That leaves us with player docked inside the structure when it was lost:

The player is podded with all normal rules applying for such a case (implants are lost) and moved to his or her medical station. If the medical clone was set to the structure that just blew up, it will be moved to a medical NPC station.
Player ships are safely impounded and saved, along with all their fittings and rigs. We considered destroyed the active ship as well, but that would only lead to further hassle where players would always have to remember to exit their active ship when docking at one of those new structures.
As an optional feature, we are investigating having frozen player corpses docked inside the lost structure to appear near the wreck, or be able to be salvaged through the wreck.
Another option is to have all livestock goods be wrecked and appear as frozen meat when delivered through this feature (example: exotic dancers, fedos, liverstock etc..). Yes, bad things happens to perishable products when delivered in such a fashion.

Great, now i can be podded while not logged in.