Player Features and Ideas Discussion

so instead of 1 gun skill dealing with range there would be 3? therefore it would increase train times for people that cross train factions by 3 times as much, there for causing much range or more people dumping injectors for skills

Capacitor skills.. e.g.

He's probably whining that someone either I) stole his shirt, or II) stole his razor.

Well if done right in theory and the SP/ISK essentialy remains the same this might actually be beneficial to get players who can make responsible choices flying what they want effectively easier.
If I understand this correctly you could have a "Minmatar navigation/Gunnery/Hull Upgrades..." and such, this would result in quartering the training time enabling new players to sky rocket and anger the old ones.

But that is not the CCP way, when skills are split the SP amount multiplies. If this was to be avoided it would be a lovely idea.

Why is reducing the train time needed? Each one of those skills takes less than two days to train to 4, which is more than enough in all but a few instances.

Why not?
It's not my idea, ask OP.
But take T2 tank for instance hull upgrades V. But the it's mods not ahips.

It would be exactly the same, except any single fit would be 1/4 of the training. Reducing training times is the key to making this game decent.

Edit: that crosstraining would be how it is now, except only for 1/4 of what it is. That's huge. It's some 17d/68d for almost perfect Slicer capacitor.

Faction frigates are not newbie friendly. Yes, they can be flown with relative ease, but if you can afford to drop 30m on a PvP frigate, then you should know enough about the game to expect long trains to max it out. I've flown a few navy slicers in my time, and none of them needed perfect capacitor skills, which I didn't have at the time. Basic Capacitor Management 5 and Capacitor Systems Operation 5, along with Controlled Bursts 4 and Afterburner/High Speed Maneuvering 4 is really all you need. Those don't take very long at all.

Edit: Compare skills in EvE to learning chess. It's relatively easy to learn the basics, but takes a long time to master the game.


No. It is far, far better to suffer the longer train times and learn the game while losing 3-5 mil isk ships than to train quickly into much more expensive ships, only to lose them through lack of knowledge. Those two days my appear insane to someone that's only played for a week or two, but it is far more demoralizing to take the isk you've spent those two weeks farming into a higher end ship, only to lose it in the first battle because you don't know how to fly it.

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"Core" skills are considered "core" because they apply to virtually all ships and to virtually all activities in the game, your idea removes that universal application and they are no longer "core" skills and that complicates a great many things in the game.

First thing that comes to mind is the always asked new player question of which skills should I train first.
Currently this is an easy question to answer you simply give them a list of "core" skills and send them on their way to explore and experiment with the game safe and comfortable knowing that the skills you have given them will affect virtually everything they ever do and virtually every ship they will ever fly. Looking at this from your racial skills idea and this option is no longer valid. If you give them Gallente skills what happens if they want to fly Amarr, Caldari or Minmatar ships? They are not sure what they want to fly so you tell them to train these skills for all 4 races and they end up exactly where they are now training time wise.

How do you propose to handle the Pirate Faction ships like the Rattlesnake and Nightmare just to name a few.
Each pirate faction ship requires skills from 2 races, if you want to fly a pirate faction ship do you have to train these new skills from both races?

Even crazier when looking at your idea is how about ORE ships like the Noctis and the SOE ships like the Nestor do they require their own separate set of racial skills as well?

And what is to be done with the special edition ships like the Genosis, does that require it's own special set of skills?

In the end what you think is a good idea to reduce training times ends up in a nightmare of what skills to recommend to new players and then it doubles down on us by extending the overall training time needed for these skills to at least double and possible as much as four times what it currently takes.

Looking at your idea from all of these perspectives I can see no advantage to this change so in the end I get back to where I started.

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I'm confused.

And inexplicably angry ... I blame the op.