Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Dear CCP, With the upgrade to your server hardware i think it is time you address something that has been bothering me for quite some time! That is the size/scale of ships comparatively in came. I'm not sure about the rest of you guys but it definitely screws with the immersion for me when i see a Kronos being ejected from the Ship Maintenance Bay of a Thanatos and the Kronos is almost half the size of the carrier and twice as tall as the drone filled pancake! I think this can be done much better. Especially with Citadel coming up, Scale should be on the forefront of your minds as it will be very noticeable!

I dunno, maybe this is just me bitching about something that doesn't matter. But it is something I would like to see fixed/adjusted!

I think you missed the OP's point. I agree with the OP far as i also think capitals should be alot bigger.

when i first(like others) seen a battleship while i was flying around i was awed at its size compared to my frig... but looking at a carrier while in a battleship is just a letdown.

And then Citadels would need to be even larger still, and nothing could ever carry them also.
Also I call utter BS that Subcaps are bigger than Super carriers.

Stations are even worse, how does Jita 4-4 carry so many ships docked inside? It's total nonsense, game-breaking immersion, this type of stuff should be looked at, especially station sizes and ship sizes, and no, citadels are not the answer to this problem unless they literally replace every station in the game

I subscribe to the miniverse theory. Stations have the ability to shrink ships into tiny compartments.

Of course gameplay is more important, why would you even have to bring that up? It in no way detracts from the problem of ship and station scale. And please don't act like it's impossible to make BIGGER STUFF lol.

Trying to make things "physically correct" in this game would result in a complete overhaul of the entire game, including all ships, modules, environments, weapon types... yeah, it's safe to say that would be an incredibly stupid thing to do. On the other hand that still isn't a good reason to keep stations and capitals in their current laughable sizes. Complete immersion may be impossible, that does not mean you just throw immersion out the window. It doesn't mean you just give up and keep stations the size of dog houses. No, they can and will make bigger stations, it's not impossible, and it would be a good thing.

Field of View is also a thing, use it and you'll actually get a better sense of the real scale of EVE models. Standard perspective gives a distorted scale to things.

Relative to the entire topic here and not a specific post, I offer this insight as a possible reason why ships are sized in game the way they are. I had dinner with a friend of mine last night he is a game developer(no not for CCP) and the first thing he brought up when I asked about this was collision meshes. His thoughts were that collision meshes in most games are a sphere (more on this later) large enough to cover the model in all directions and usually but not always centered on the model. The larger the model the larger the sphere must be to cover it, not much of a problem when you have a ship that is closer to the spherical shape like the Domi or the Obelisk. However when applied to a very long thin model like the Geddon you end up with a collision happening when you are still visually at some considerable distance from the item you just collided with and that destroys immersion in it's own way. With that as the basis he wondered if ships were sized the way they are to control in part this aspect of game design and game play. Considering that we do get complaints from time to time around here about colliding with something that a players ship was not even close to perhaps there is some truth in this.

Back to spheres, according to him they are used because they reduce the code needed to implement collision meshes and to check for collisions, in many games it can be reduced to a single sub routine that handles them all. If the collision meshes more closely match the shape of the ship then each ship, or each group of ships that are relatively the same shape require their own custom sub-routine to handle collisions. According to him the primary concern with this is the increased possibility for code errors and for unintended consequences to occur because of the code differences and how they interact at run time especially when it is not practical or even possible for the devs to check every conceivable set of circumstances.

Again these are not my thoughts, they are the thoughts of a professional game developer who has only a simplistic knowledge of EvE from watching me play. I offer these as insight as a possible reason why things are the way they are in EvE they are not intended to prove or to dis-prove any particular point of view on this topic.