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Nope. Not in HS. And no, not in NS either. And not with an alt...well okay I use 1 alt, but he is merely to move through HS without being bothered by war decs, etc. So...I guess you just struck out.

And no, I don't sell T2 BPCs I do invention and sell the T2 mods. Technically strike 4 at this point.

I won't need to build a citadel. It might be a better option, but that remains to be seen. And strike 5.

There are no broker's fees for invention.

My invention business does not "hide out in NS". Strike six.

If it is not as profitable I'll look for a cheaper way of doing things. So what?

Feels like I'm in a Dr. Seuss story...

No Sgt Ocker the Docker I do not invent in null with a gull. Nor do I invent in high with a pie.

The question should be: why? Why would you put up such a tasty target in an area that you can't defend because it's high sec. Each XL citadel will be a big unmoving target for anyCorp to get reputation. And what will be the real benefits? XL can dock a capital but whats about capitals in High? Everything you need in High could be done with L and it's cheaper.

Citadel release will be forever remembered as the day keys to eve had been permanently handed over to a blob, all thanks to this change.

The presence of mittens personal forum rag defending this change only confirms it.
Well, since you're only good for confirming agendas, everything you say can be freely ignored.

A lie? I do this in LS and my corp and my alliance do absolutely nothing to help. Just because I am in LS means they somehow must help?

Simply by the name you think I gain a benefit? Or does it put a larger target on my back? I know how to live in LS without dying...well provided I don't screw up or get really unlucky. Oh and I had some nice visitors once in the systems I was working in...but funny thing they all had little red squares in their avatars in local.

And yeah, someday CCP might increase the fees associated with manufacturing and even invention and yeah someday moving to a citadel might be the best solution. And when that happens I'll evaluate the options and go with the best one. Personally though, if they feel they need to try and "fine tune" the ISK supply I hope they ignore Dr. EyjoG's advice and not try to increase sinks, but to change the sources.

Well according to everyone else the huge amounts of wealth that will automatically flow into the alliance coffers. Build a citadel and boom instant massive wealth. You'll be able to buy a titan every day or some such BS. And literally for no effort apparently as well.

As I said, leave your alt alliance and corp - Just see how much it benefits you to belong.

Your corp and alliance helps, just by letting you be a member. Think about it, you will be situated in a place that suits your needs, you have access to everything you need to do your thing. Now leave the corp, you are now neutral to everyone around you and honestly say your corp does nothing for you.

As for industry costs in NPC stations vs Citadels - It likely hasn't been mentioned yet because Devs are having trouble getting what is already promised for April 27 to work. Take out fanfest, there is 3 weeks left to get this working and ready for TQ, as they can't yet get half of it working reliably (if at all) on SISI, I'm so glad I'm not working for CCP. I feel sorry for the devs who get blamed for this by their leads.

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XLarge Citadel used as a market hub (if devs ever get it to work) will likely not make a profit for a year or two.
Smart groups will use Large's at a quarter of the cost to build and replace if they happen to die or need to be relocated, which is a lot less likely compared to an Xlarge due to the far lower amount of vulnerability.
I do believe CCP have shot themselves in the foot with Xlarge Citadels, especially when it comes to highsec use. Sure Chribba and a few like him might put one up because they just have more isk than anyone could ever need. No-one will attack them because it is just too much trouble to bother, really who wants to spend hours shooting a structure that can just as easily kill attackers off while manned by just 1 player. 100 vs 1 and the 1 is more likely to win the encounter (although it is likely to take far longer than the set vulnerability period to end any attack from a determined attacker).

Lowsec - Forget Xlarge Citadels, no self respecting group in lowsec is going to spend that sort of isk on something that can be blobbed by every man and his dog and kept vulnerable for an unlimited time. Eve is a game, having your online time determined by a structure being vulnerable is not fun or interesting game play.

Nulsec, a few groups that a super capital heavy might build one here and there, just for show. They will never be attacked because there is just no-one capable of attacking the likes of PL and hoping to succeed. So they can continue to hold minimal sov and put a Citadel up to show off their dominating super cap fleet and no-one will be able to do anything about it.


Vulnerability mechanics and cost to build will be the reason citadels fail. Many players and groups are looking forward to the release of Citadels, sadly most will be sorely disappointed after the first time they are attacked and someone has to man the Citadel for hours while a bunch of T1 frigates fly in and out taking 1 shot at a time to keep it vulnerable.

As for CCP's statement regarding 1 person not being tied to a Citadel for defense - That is exactly what you have designed, one max skilled character who never gets to leave the Citadel because everything about defending it is skill based.

There is a third option: Try to change their minds before the changes are final.

Context helps if you're looking for an actual answer bro. Who are the friends and what have they disagreed with? Shall I just write this off as another of your "I didn't really mean it, I was being satirical" comments?

Cutting income from some individuals or groups (because "reason", "politics") is not something they would even notice. But anyway:

For free in the same system, with minium 5 days delay, with lost fees (unless they are other details I'm unaware of - can asset recovery even be initiated without first destroying the citadel ?).



In WH they are system wide, in K they are visible region wide - but if your docking permissions are revoked they become magically invisible, ranged buy orders excluding (so I was told by people that tested it on sisi).

If it's true then it literally begs for a checkbox to none the less be able to see the orders even if one cannot dock (they can be marked with red color background or w/e).



I don't care about risks here - they are fine, even if artificial. I see 0 (zero) carrots to even move my ass out of Jita (and Amarr occasionally). What if someone undercuts me in citadel ? I don't care - as long as someone else buys my stuff in my place. So unless "new hub" starts getting daily order volume comparable to Jita /and/ starts dethroning Jita .... then no trader (read: main/alt that sits in a station and plays with hundreds of buy/sell orders) will move there. And the baits / carrots (lower broker taxes ?, come on ....) to initiate such lengthy process are simply nowhere to be found.

Even if I'm wrong - 1 (one) kaboom of such "new hub" citadel ever at any point, and no sane trader will ever consider such things in HS again. Simply because the benefits of using them don't outweight the costs.



WH space is WH space. There're no market hubs there, nor there will be - and the whole tax discussion is irrelevant w.r.t. to WHs. And where did I even mention goons specifically ? I mentioned generic powerblock - aka groups capable to field and defend XL citadels in null (where they actually make sense as opposed to HS/LS).