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Need help with a L4 Rattlesnake - Rapid HM fit
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Tsunzaki Garasu
Trinity Industrial Enterprises
#1 - 2016-03-24 23:21:20 UTC
Hi,

I returned to the game a couple weeks ago (last time I played was 2011) after a few days playing L3s I started doing L4s with My Drake, but they are taking much more time than I remember it used to (I actually had to borrow my brother's Domi to finish "Smash the Supplier"). So I tried a few Battleship setups in EFT and came up with the Rattlesnake fit bellow. I seems ok on paper, but i'm still unsure about some points:

I looked around for proven fits but most rely on skills I don't have yet (I have only cruise missiles 3 and I am currently training Sentry Interface 5) or/and have too much "bling" for my taste. I'd prefer no bling at all but I couldn't fit an X-Large booster and with a single T2 Large I get less paper Shield than my Drake...


[Rattlesnake, Rapid Heavy Missile]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

2 * T2 Mission Specific Hardener
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster
Large Micro Jump Drive
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II

Garde I x2
Warrior II x5
Warden I x2
Gecko x1

My main questions about it are:"

1) Not sure if this is overtanked or undertanked... On paper it got 110K+ EHP and at least 530 Def (Merc) but this ship is slow, has a huge signature and I can only run the shield booster for about 2 min, I'm used to a quite large passive shield so this is kindda scarry...

2) Also not sure if the single Rigor will do any good. HMs should take care of destroyers and cruisers even without its bonus may not be enough to speed things up. Maybe i'm better off changing it for a Bay Thruster match the T2 Missile range with the Garde, or just save some ISK usinf 3 T1 Field Extenders

3) Since half the DPS just comes at 50Km anyway it would be better to change the TL and the F-90 for a cap booster and a MWD... omg so many questions...

Any help will be much appreciated!

Thanks in advance!
Yolli Sly
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-03-25 01:13:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Yolli Sly
[Rattlesnake RHML Base]

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II

Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Core Defense Purger II
Large Core Defense Purger II
Large Core Defense Purger II

This is the base fit.
Take Mobile Depot and a lot of modules. Go on mission, drop MD and start swap modules - SRs for Shield Hardeners, Propulsion Module, Target Painter, Stasis Webifier, e.t.c. Than SPRs for damage modules - Drone Damage Amplifiers and Ballistic Control Systems. Keep going until you become happy.

My current full loot/salvage lvl4 mission fit:

[Rattlesnake RHML lvl4]

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor I

500MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Shield Recharger II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II


Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Core Defense Purger II
Large Core Defense Purger II
Large Core Defense Purger II

Federation Navy Garde x 2
Caldari Navy Warden x 2
Gecko
Hobgoblin II x 5

Mobile Depot
Shield Recharger II
Phased Scoped Target Painter
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Hobgoblin II x 2
Mobile Tractor Unit x (1-5)
Missiles (I use faction - inferno and scourge)

In game stats with moderate skills:
Gank:
DPS - 1153.5 (617.5 drones and 536 missiles)
Tank:
92 803 HP
HPS - 163/197
Resists: 73, 61, 71, 76
Range:
Missiles - 50 km
Warden/Gecko - 70 km

It is not cheap fit.
In fact, you have to fit some (or a lot) death space and/or faction modules because lack of CPU and for better performance.

Тhe only doubt with this fit are rigs - purgers or extenders. Тhey are pricey, so choose carefully.

FS and BH!
The Bigpuns
United Standings Improvement Agency
#3 - 2016-03-25 10:34:34 UTC  |  Edited by: The Bigpuns
Op, your fit is much better than the passive tanked monstrosities you see above. But I would get cruise launchers on there asap.

At mjd range, you take hardly any damage except against guristas, but you have more than enough tank and dps to outlast them anyway.

Buffer tank isn't that useful, either swap the extender rigs for more missile application or a drone range rig.

Once you get comfortable with it, switch back to rhml's, swap the mjd for an mwd, and maybe swap the sebo out for a drone nav comp. Even with a gecko, sentries are usually better for actually applying dps, but a gecko will wreck anything that gets under your sentries guns.

Hth.
Stapaina
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-03-25 11:05:55 UTC
Tsunzaki Garasu wrote:
Hi,

I returned to the game a couple weeks ago (last time I played was 2011) after a few days playing L3s I started doing L4s with My Drake, but they are taking much more time than I remember it used to (I actually had to borrow my brother's Domi to finish "Smash the Supplier"). So I tried a few Battleship setups in EFT and came up with the Rattlesnake fit bellow. I seems ok on paper, but i'm still unsure about some points:

I looked around for proven fits but most rely on skills I don't have yet (I have only cruise missiles 3 and I am currently training Sentry Interface 5) or/and have too much "bling" for my taste. I'd prefer no bling at all but I couldn't fit an X-Large booster and with a single T2 Large I get less paper Shield than my Drake...


[Rattlesnake, Rapid Heavy Missile]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

2 * T2 Mission Specific Hardener
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster
Large Micro Jump Drive
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II

Garde I x2
Warrior II x5
Warden I x2
Gecko x1

My main questions about it are:"

1) Not sure if this is overtanked or undertanked... On paper it got 110K+ EHP and at least 530 Def (Merc) but this ship is slow, has a huge signature and I can only run the shield booster for about 2 min, I'm used to a quite large passive shield so this is kindda scarry...

2) Also not sure if the single Rigor will do any good. HMs should take care of destroyers and cruisers even without its bonus may not be enough to speed things up. Maybe i'm better off changing it for a Bay Thruster match the T2 Missile range with the Garde, or just save some ISK usinf 3 T1 Field Extenders

3) Since half the DPS just comes at 50Km anyway it would be better to change the TL and the F-90 for a cap booster and a MWD... omg so many questions...

Any help will be much appreciated!

Thanks in advance!


Don't mix passive and active tank, thats what I used. Tank against Guristas, it is too much tank. Depends how comfortable you are, you can drop one hardener and fit target painter.

This fit is cap stable without afterburner and give 11+ minutes with all modules running.

If you don't need cap stable fit, drop cap rechargers for target painters. Also you can change rigs for agility rigs, if you don't need cap stability.

Also you can use Gist shield booster, then you don't need 2 cap rechargers / or 2 cap rigs.

And there is no such thing as one fit to suit everyone, it all depends on your preferences or skill.


[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake fit] don't like this one

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Warden II x2


Mid-grade Crystal Alpha
Mid-grade Crystal Beta
Mid-grade Crystal Gamma
Mid-grade Crystal Delta
Mid-grade Crystal Epsilon
Mid-grade Crystal Omega
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Capacitor Management EM-805
Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-905
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005

[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake fit] I prefer this one.

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Warden II x2
Tsunzaki Garasu
Trinity Industrial Enterprises
#5 - 2016-03-25 12:27:46 UTC
Thanks everyone for the quick and diverse responses!

Got lots to test and think about. I will play around with these fits a bit a see how i fell about them.

RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#6 - 2016-03-25 15:09:17 UTC
I'd dump the extender rigs and get at least 1 CCC rig. Me personally, I'd do two T2 CCC rigs.
And I'd use Cruise missiles. They hit most ships just fine, and they one shot a lot of cruisers.

You're main problem is probably skill based. If you have start bumping them up, try and do them even across the board.
Get all relevant skills to III, then start bumping them to IV, and so on.
The ship/hull skill is very important.
The missile SUPPORT skills are also very important.
And of course, the Drone skills and supports.
You can almost feel every level of every skill make an improvement.

If you're worried about cost/loss, you can do missions from a T1 Raven, and insure it for almost total loss. Then when your skills get up, sell it and get another Snake. (Or just park the one you have now until then)
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#7 - 2016-03-26 03:05:59 UTC
Stapaina wrote:


[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake fit] don't like this one

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Warden II x2


Mid-grade Crystal Alpha
Mid-grade Crystal Beta
Mid-grade Crystal Gamma
Mid-grade Crystal Delta
Mid-grade Crystal Epsilon
Mid-grade Crystal Omega
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Capacitor Management EM-805
Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-905
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005

[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake fit] I prefer this one.

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Warden II x2


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Yolli Sly
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-03-26 23:28:26 UTC
:)

Trying to **** the best passive tank in the game - certainly possible, but is it worth?

These days cruise missiles have a terrible application (as regards the lvl 4 missions), so do not use them without good reason. There are only a few missions (think for Assault) where to use cruise missiles worth.

But the game is yours - who am I to tell you what to do. No offence.
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#9 - 2016-03-26 23:56:12 UTC
Yolli you don't even passive tank properly. Your supposed to use resists not just pile it full of shield rechargers. I don't even know where to start with your fits they are so terrible.

Will gank for food
alindak Kahoudi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2016-03-27 02:39:06 UTC
RHML not optimal for pve, when u have t2 cruise missiles and t2 sentry drones try this (I solo 10/10 sansha centus assembly tp&co) unbreakable and crapstable. And since u like bling it shouldn’t be a problem.

Low: 3x faction dda 3x faction BCS
Mids: pithum a- type medium shield booster, pith x sba, pith x em, pith x thermal, adaptive invul II, faction TP, MJD
High: 5x cruise missile launcher, 1x drone link augmentor II
Rigs: large warhead rigor II, 2x large CCC

With good skills you rep around 530 and dish out 1500dps using curator II’s. If you shove a mid grade crystal set in there and a 5% Rapid Launch set, you’d be dealing almost 1600 dps and repping 670 per second. If you want added security, swap a DDA for a DC II and you have still 1495 dps and 100k ehp and you rep 775 per second (sweet right?) all this while being crapstable (run that puppy non-stop in case you dissconnect you’ll be golden)

This numbers I get with all V’s but warhead upgrades and Caldari BS (both IV)

Now, I wouldn’t run this sh1t in high sec, but that’s another story...