Macintosh

Given the chance:

I usually use these kind of discussions in group workshops at school, but it seems applicable here.

Given the chance that all Mac users would be able to receive all money back spent on game time with their accounts, would you quit the game?

This question arises because the usability of the client has steadily declined ever since the inclusion of it. In any case, this will most likely move to the discussion room of the forums and effectively be lost as the post will fill with anti-mac cavemen whose only applicable response to such a post is "AH HA! Why u no play PC?!? Mac is daumb!".

So I ask, my fellow Mac users, what would you do if given the chance?

That is all,

Princess Caitlin

No way. I have not had a crash or any glitch of any sort for about a week. Eve runs fine, I can even triple box a mining op, no issues. Even all the issues right after crucible came out accounted for maybe 10 total crashes for me, out of maybe 100 on-line hours. Some PC users in my corp are having far more problems.

And as I pay with PLEX, I would not get that much back. Most of the money spent on my accounts was spent by someone else.

Graphics are all low. I am on a MacBook Pro, 10.6.8.

Im an industrialist, so I mine, build, mission, explore. An alt lives in a W-system and slays sleepers with a carrier. I have been on 2 low sec fleet ops since Crusible, but the bad guys stayed away so there was no big fight. (They did sacrafice a drake to us, but it exploded before I even got a lock). Ive also done Sisi tests with the big fleet fights. It did not crash, but the FPS was so low in the big fight that it was unplayable or close to unplayable for me. Thats actually the main issue I got with the Mac client: low fps.

I'd love to have my money back, but that won't happen, CCP just wants your money, and they don't care if you try to run the Mac client, that's your problem. Quality doesn't matter for them in any way. They don't look at your bug reports, no matter how much you complain here or at https://bugs.eveonline.com.

TO be honest, The official mac client needs quite a bit of work IMO.

I was able to "create" an unofficial client using wine bottler and wine 1.2.22 and the game runs near flawless (minus eve voice).

So my hack and slash port, is doing a better job then CCP/Transgaming's official port. I really hope CCP steps it up in coming patches.

My client works better on my Mac than it did in Windows.

69FPS on full graphics.

Intel i7 27" Imac
8GB RAM

I would never go back to Windows!

Would love to get some of the money i invested in this game back.

Latest 27" imac, 6970m graphics card and it's a stuttery, crashing, unplayable mess.

I just liquidated all my assets, warehoused a few nice ships and cancelled my three accounts.

Going to check this forum every few months to see if they sorted the mac client out. Until then, CCP don't get my money.

If i had an 2008/2009 mac i can safely say that i would demand my money back. However i have a newer MBP so it has enough "horsepower" to go through the transgaming wrapper overhead. So i am cotent with my 20-26 FPS on medium graphics (drawn @ 1920x1080 on external monitor) (aside from the numerous ammount of "minor" issues" ) Although in bootcamp i get 60 steady with everything maxed.

The nerd in me understands i cant really complain about a game that is developed on and for windows ; lackluster preformance on a well.... non windows operating system.

People buy macs knowing that they are sub-par for direct-x gaming. To deny or argue is simply ignorance. I bought mine knowing this so in a lot of ways i don't feel i could justify "asking ccp for my money back" it was my choice, i bought it for school and dont regret it. However, if you are going to drop $1500-2000 on a computer (pc or mac) you might want to consider in full entirity how you are going to use it.

The newest MBP's and iMacs dont have much issue running eve, but its simply because they greatly exceed the needed hardware for eve. So as time goes on, and mac users decide to upgrade, it will be less and less of a priority for ccp to make a open-gl client.

to be frank, it would be a very poor financial choice for cpp management to task their programmers to make their 3d engine render in opengl. Paying transgaming to make a custom wrapper for them was the financially viable choice.

In all probable likelihood dont expect a native open-gl eve client anytime before the current trinity engine becomes obosolete (my tenative guess 2014-15) it would only make sense from a developing perspective to toy with native opengl support when you are designing a new 3d engine from the ground up. retro Incorporating afterwords is just not worth the time or money.

If i had an older mac, i would feel cheated, because a $900 windows box would get better preformance. I would probably demand my iskies... err monies back.

People buy macs knowing they cant play direct-x games well. To deny is ignorance.

Personally for me, i have found that for the cost of a top of the line iMac is about the same as a cinema display and a making a windows box :P

I did however make a simple little applescirpt application which allows for one-click rebooting into windows (no option key ftw) if anyone would like it, i can send you it. I would also recomend adding eve to your bootcamp installation of windows startup items. So all you need to do is open the above App, your in eve in windwos in under 1-2 mins.

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No I would not.

Fact is, the Mac client runs about one third as fast as the Win-client if it comes to fps comparison. But otherwise I've had yet no crashes or other problems with the Mac client. I'm used to lower the graphics detail settings on Mac OS to play fluent while I can play middle/high sets - and even faster - on the same Macbook when in Bootcamp Win7.

Yet I'd never quit the game for the money I spent playing it. Whoever answers this question with 'yes' should've been thinking about spending money on EVE in the first place.

TL;DR: Win client > Mac client but don't cry me a river about it

My iMac runs EVE Online perfeclty!























In Bootcamp..