Player Features and Ideas Discussion

While in general I like the idea for faction capitals (This faction has a dreadnought, this other faction has a supercarrier, this other faction has a carrier, etc.), it's kind of pointless right now.

What does the Revenant do? Why would someone want to field it besides it being so shiny? What would a Serpentis dreadnought do that the Moros, Naglfar and etc. wouldn't do? They should find specific roles for these ships before they start adding.

1) There is no "totally safe" place in eve. If you believe there is a disturbance in the force (read risk vrs reward) then maybe take some of your totally safe moongoo profits and dec all the incursion communities? Or wont Mittens stand for more drainage on his funds? Maybe start another book deal to finance the campaign?

2) Incursions are hardly safe, try soloing them. If groups of players manage to figure out how to farm PvE content in hisec the same way you farm moons behind your blob, then maybe we should consider the risk vs reward of your favorite playground before we start throwing stones in glass houses?

3) If you still feel your views are "faultless", then what are you doing to make hisec less safe? Are you and your broskies actively trying to disrupt hi-sec incursions gameplay you find so alien and wrong?

No?

Cry some more?

The OP said it was illogical for there to be a gap between battleship and supercarrier, so add a carrier to fill it. We then discussed that all factions in general MAY possibly benefit from there own capitals. Also, then discussion followed that faction capitals would need specific roles and be introduced with care to prevent watering down the pool of other empire caps.

^^ This exactly. Also - it's consistent with the Sansha role and lore.

Just to be clear, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to it being another faction, that would be reasonable - I'm not saying we shouldn't have a faction dreadnought or anything, but that's not really the focus of this proposal. This goes nicely with the new fighter mechanics; while dreads are being rebalanced, the new guns don't really add a whole new fun mechanic in the same way the carrier mechanics do (and if you haven't already, you should go try the new fighter mechanics out on SISI, it's hilariously fun).

Also, since Sansha already has a supercarrier, it makes sense to have a standard carrier to bridge that gap between the nightmare and the revenant and fits with the role Sansha has had thus far. It just seems like it would fit right in there really nicely; whereas if they were going to add an SOE ship, for example, I'd say it should be a black ops or a cloaky hauler - something to fall in line with the SOE role bonuses and lore. If they were going to add a new Serpentis ship, I'd be more inclined for it to be a web/blaster bonused battlecruiser or something. Etc etc.

As someone pointed out above, I also agree that it should definitely not cost an absurd amount like the revenant does so that they actually get used as a practical combat ship rather than just a shiny.

I'm also not opposed to the idea of a faction dreadnought, but as I mentioned - the dread changes don't have the same feel of "new content" as the fighter mechanics, which actually add seriously new gameplay mechanics (while the dread changes are really just a massive nerf to blap dreads, since the high-DPS guns can no longer his small targets and the high angle guns have basically the DPS of a vindicator).

It's actually not consistent with Sansha lore. The only reason they have a supercarrier in the first place is it's the smallest class of ship they could design that could fit their wormhole generator that they use to start the incursion.

Only drops in low-sec, actually, if I recall correctly. Null-sec incursions are actually run because they want to get rid of the cyno-jam in incursion constellations. I think if it dropped in null, it'd get more common and the price would drop.

Thx though but i've asked why does Sansha is so specific to have both Carrier/SCarrier in the line? The Revenant class was and ded for a reason connected to Incursion addon into the game. Not because there was lack of SC in past ship layouts. The gap between subcapital and capital was discussed many times and it's not anyhow tied to any specific NPC factions.

Null sec has its risks, but it's also rather safe. Other than hostiles from wormholes you know if the bad guys are coming. You also have a well controlled environment and no combat restrictions.

And that still can't seem to stop freighters from exploding in 1.0 systems....

Nor does it stop ninja looters from stealing or gankers from ganking.

I really do love that idea. And Guistas carriers. And Angel dreads....