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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2016-03-21 22:35:28 UTC
I would also like to use this moment to comment on the record number of MTU losses I have this month in Udema to gankers.
Specifically, please make sure I can actually engage you first before trying to bait me.
You weren't flying minmatar, t2 salvagers can't hurt you.
ashley Eoner
#22 - 2016-03-21 23:24:15 UTC
Caligula Nalelmir wrote:
As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded.
how to avoid:
Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip.
Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank.
skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5.
fit all lows with bulkheads 2's

Isk is almost entirely irrelevant outside of freighters with +5b in items. They gank empty freighters when they cannot find the big loot pinatas.

The freighter you fly is pretty irrelevant. AN obby dies almost as fast as a charon when 38 catas are shooting it.

Skills help very little but won't stop a gank if they start bumping you.

Fitting all lows with bulkheads means nothing when 38 catas are shooting you.


Real advice would be something like.
Use an alt with webs

Use an alt to scout the Niarja pipeline and when the gankers are GCC hop over to the frieghter and quickly move through. You've got like 15 minutes before the gankers can strike again.

If you don't need the space of a freighter for your cargo then use a ship with MWD/cloak. Hell even a bowhead fitted for align with a mwd can be an utter nightmare to bump.
Caligula Nalelmir
Cobalt Brigade
#23 - 2016-03-21 23:28:54 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Caligula Nalelmir wrote:
As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded.
how to avoid:
Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip.
Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank.
skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5.
fit all lows with bulkheads 2's

Isk is almost entirely irrelevant outside of freighters with +5b in items. They gank empty freighters when they cannot find the big loot pinatas.

The freighter you fly is pretty irrelevant. AN obby dies almost as fast as a charon when 38 catas are shooting it.

Skills help very little but won't stop a gank if they start bumping you.

Fitting all lows with bulkheads means nothing when 38 catas are shooting you.


Real advice would be something like.
Use an alt with webs

Use an alt to scout the Niarja pipeline and when the gankers are GCC hop over to the frieghter and quickly move through. You've got like 15 minutes before the gankers can strike again.

If you don't need the space of a freighter for your cargo then use a ship with MWD/cloak. Hell even a bowhead fitted for align with a mwd can be an utter nightmare to bump.



Those are great ideas. Slows down the process very much though, but those ideas are so valid.
Knitram Relik
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-03-21 23:39:20 UTC
Look at the map. If Uedama, Niarja, or whatever is as red as Jita for kills in the last hour maybe avoid it. And get a permit. What's the worst that could happen? My whole corp is CODE. compliant and I've taken 10bil+ thru hot pipes with no problems. Just say hi to the agents in system and fly compliant. And before you reply "Grrr CODE.", have you actually tried flying compliant?

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2016-03-21 23:48:42 UTC
Caligula Nalelmir wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Caligula Nalelmir wrote:
As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded.
how to avoid:
Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip.
Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank.
skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5.
fit all lows with bulkheads 2's

Isk is almost entirely irrelevant outside of freighters with +5b in items. They gank empty freighters when they cannot find the big loot pinatas.

The freighter you fly is pretty irrelevant. AN obby dies almost as fast as a charon when 38 catas are shooting it.

Skills help very little but won't stop a gank if they start bumping you.

Fitting all lows with bulkheads means nothing when 38 catas are shooting you.


Real advice would be something like.
Use an alt with webs

Use an alt to scout the Niarja pipeline and when the gankers are GCC hop over to the frieghter and quickly move through. You've got like 15 minutes before the gankers can strike again.

If you don't need the space of a freighter for your cargo then use a ship with MWD/cloak. Hell even a bowhead fitted for align with a mwd can be an utter nightmare to bump.



Those are great ideas. Slows down the process very much though, but those ideas are so valid.

I got one to add here, don't think an ecm burstion is too low a price to pay for saving yourself.

Sure, the character is going to need a high sec status to survive the concording from bursting on the bumpers and whit knights, but its much better than loosing your billions freighter.

Also really hilarious to do to the gank squad.
Do it just as they land on grid and are locking, do it too early and the gank squad won't be engaged and concorded themselves.
Do loot the wrecks of the ganker, it will easily pay for the burstion.
ashley Eoner
#26 - 2016-03-22 00:10:43 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Knitram Relik wrote:
Look at the map. If Uedama, Niarja, or whatever is as red as Jita for kills in the last hour maybe avoid it. And get a permit. What's the worst that could happen? My whole corp is CODE. compliant and I've taken 10bil+ thru hot pipes with no problems. Just say hi to the agents in system and fly compliant. And before you reply "Grrr CODE.", have you actually tried flying compliant?

I'm not code compliant and I've taken hundreds of billions through the pipe.

Your little permit does nothing but feed egos. It's impossible to be compliant if they decide that they don't want you to be compliant. Quit being a tool.

NEONOVUS wrote:
I got one to add here, don't think an ecm burstion is too low a price to pay for saving yourself.

Sure, the character is going to need a high sec status to survive the concording from bursting on the bumpers and whit knights, but its much better than loosing your billions freighter.

Also really hilarious to do to the gank squad.
Do it just as they land on grid and are locking, do it too early and the gank squad won't be engaged and concorded themselves.
Do loot the wrecks of the ganker, it will easily pay for the burstion.
ECM bursts are weaksauce in general. I doubt there would be any real effect on the gankers as they already use ECCM and related skills.
King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2016-03-22 00:43:18 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Caligula Nalelmir wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Caligula Nalelmir wrote:
As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded.
how to avoid:
Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip.
Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank.
skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5.
fit all lows with bulkheads 2's

Isk is almost entirely irrelevant outside of freighters with +5b in items. They gank empty freighters when they cannot find the big loot pinatas.

The freighter you fly is pretty irrelevant. AN obby dies almost as fast as a charon when 38 catas are shooting it.

Skills help very little but won't stop a gank if they start bumping you.

Fitting all lows with bulkheads means nothing when 38 catas are shooting you.


Real advice would be something like.
Use an alt with webs

Use an alt to scout the Niarja pipeline and when the gankers are GCC hop over to the frieghter and quickly move through. You've got like 15 minutes before the gankers can strike again.

If you don't need the space of a freighter for your cargo then use a ship with MWD/cloak. Hell even a bowhead fitted for align with a mwd can be an utter nightmare to bump.



Those are great ideas. Slows down the process very much though, but those ideas are so valid.

I got one to add here, don't think an ecm burstion is too low a price to pay for saving yourself.

Sure, the character is going to need a high sec status to survive the concording from bursting on the bumpers and whit knights, but its much better than loosing your billions freighter.

Also really hilarious to do to the gank squad.
Do it just as they land on grid and are locking, do it too early and the gank squad won't be engaged and concorded themselves.
Do loot the wrecks of the ganker, it will easily pay for the burstion.


Good to know you have absolutely no idea how ecm bursts work or what you are talking about.
Jacques d'Orleans
#28 - 2016-03-22 01:00:18 UTC
Caligula Nalelmir wrote:
As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded.
how to avoid:
Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip.
Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank.
skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5.
fit all lows with bulkheads 2's


Tbh, i flew four times today thru Niarja in a 30 jump tour and all i saw was autopiloting Obelisks, Charons, even a Hulk and so on.
All of you autopiloting lazy prats deserve the ganks delivered to you! Simple as that!
God, i need a bigger tear collector unit aka bucket!

Ah, and while we're at it, a Permit for 10M isk, would tank your Obby more than the above shytefit.
Now continue whining!

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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#29 - 2016-03-22 02:59:03 UTC
How to avoid the majority of gankers?

Don't go to Jita.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#30 - 2016-03-22 03:01:54 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
What happened to make Hisec ganking a big thing again?
Last time I was here it was around a bil in cargo got you pegged.


What happened is that CCP buffed freighters lol. Just like how buffing mining ships lead to more mining ship ganks, and anchor rigs lead to more constant bumping.

See, a certain segment of the community celebrates anytime they perceive something is going to 'nerf gankers'. They are mentally incapable of understanding who gankers are (they tend to be the types that, rather than be discouraged by nerfs, they get ticked off and emboldened by them) so they keep thinking "one more nerf" is going to do the trick.

Folks like that will never get hip to one fact: the 'answer' to gankers isn't 'nerfs', it's awareness, gameplay knowledge and mental toughness. Have those 3 things (and teach them to new players) and gankers basically don't even exist for you.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#31 - 2016-03-22 03:04:54 UTC
Caligula Nalelmir wrote:
As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded.
how to avoid:
Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip.
Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank.
skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5.
fit all lows with bulkheads 2's


Just autopilot like I do.


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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#32 - 2016-03-22 03:23:45 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:

Like this guy https://zkillboard.com/kill/52728153/


To be entirely fair, that right there was pretty much a guarantee to happen. Same thing happened when CCP lifted the cargo bay restrictions on PLEX way back in the day. Learn well, my fellow pod pilots; you see before you the absolutely best example thus far of one of the worst mistakes you can make. There's always one. DON'T...BE...THAT...ONE!

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#33 - 2016-03-22 03:54:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron Honk
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Pix Severus
Empty You
#34 - 2016-03-22 03:56:55 UTC
Highsec is the most dangerous space in EVE, are you man enough to risk going there?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2016-03-22 05:23:15 UTC
Just one more nerf.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#36 - 2016-03-22 05:57:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Caligula Nalelmir wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
Caligula Nalelmir wrote:
As you may have noticed, suicide ganks have increased dramatically in the notorious .5's with little or no cargo loaded.
how to avoid:
Do not carry more than 500M isk each trip.
Preferably fly Obby as it has the most tank.
skill hull upgrades,mechanics, Shield Management all to 5.
fit all lows with bulkheads 2's

I don't know where people get this stuff. Freighter kills in March are on pace to be well below last month as well as below the six month average. Do we really need this alarmist GD post?

I guess a PSA can't hurt: Freighter pilots you should tank your ships! You should also pay attention, scout your route, fly with an escort, not carry multiple billions in cargo and get yourselves a permit. Even all of this may not save you, so remember the Golden Rules of Eve and never fly something you cannot afford to lose.

Stay strong brave freighter pilots. Your strength in the face of adversity is a real inspiration to gamers everywhere. o7


freight kills are double from Oct 2015
Freighter "kills" are indeed double October, but that is not the relevant category. That is people who managed to get on a killmail with a freighter (which, since freighters don't have guns means people are hopping between ships). It is freighter losses which you are whining about and they are down as I said. We might reach October's 396 freighter kills by the end of the month, but certainly not the recent numbers from January or February unless someone decides to burn somewhere really hard next weekend. And it is certainly not double anything recent as you claim.

It does seem to me that the last weeks have brought a return of 10B+ freighter kills though which had dried up. Perhaps the coming expansion is inducing hauling amateurs to move high value stuff around in preparation. I should do a more careful study.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#37 - 2016-03-22 06:19:11 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:

Like this guy https://zkillboard.com/kill/52728153/


and this guy...... https://zkillboard.com/kill/52674738/

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ZAKURELL0 LINDA
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2016-03-22 06:54:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ZAKURELL0 LINDA
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2016-03-22 06:59:39 UTC
Nerf idiot freighter pilots.

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Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#40 - 2016-03-22 07:31:43 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
What happened to make Hisec ganking a big thing again?
Last time I was here it was around a bil in cargo got you pegged.


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