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Watch list / Buddy list changes
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Fentus
3RD World Patrol
#1 - 2016-03-19 20:04:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Fentus
Patch Notes:
patch-notes-for-march-2016-release

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Miscellaneous:

The character watchlist is now known as the 'Buddy List' to better reflect its usage (and to avoid confusion with the fleet watchlist).
Seeing a character's online status now requires mutual consent: You will only by able to see the online status of characters on your Buddy List if they have also added you to their list. This includes restricting the 'PlayerX is now online' notification popups to mutual buddies. If another character has NOT added you back, then they will always appear with a red 'offline' indicator regardless of their actual state.


I don't think CCP thought this out to well when they did the watch list / buddy list changes.

List of activities they have nerfed due to this change...

  • Capitol Hunting, when known capitol pilots are online we actively hunt them, a good capitol pilots online status dose not need to be hidden from other players, they only need local chat and or scouts.
  • Player Hunting, same goes for hunting down specific players
  • Bounty Hunting, I know this is not a huge sport in eve but this change dose not help
  • Wars, generally it was a good idea to add aggressors and defenders so you could see their online status who you should locate and who was a waste of time...
  • Spy Activity, we can no longer identify who is working with who... Log on traps... alts... etc... This has hurt a lot of fun activities.
  • Locator agents, do not give us a "online" or offline status on players and general for hunting we need to know who is online or offline... other wise we are running around chasing ghosts... wasting isk and travel time... This pretty much means we "must" have a second character and we must infiltrate corporations.
  • General disconnect from other players, I have lost contact with a lot of people hundreds if not thousands due to this change... I might of added some people to my watch list but other may not of added me back...
  • Limit to size of friends list, This should be upped now that we have to both add each other to our "buddy" list.
  • Must use local to discuss things with people... Now we can't contact people we add not knowing if they are online or offline... you pretty much have to send them a message and hope they reply...
  • To find out the online status of people you must use "glitches" such as trying to contact them with "start conversation" the messages sorta give away when people are online...
  • People generally play this game to talk to others this is a huge **** stain on society...
  • Loss of contact with old friends... Kinda makes CCP have to re think the the-recall-program
  • And a lot more...


List of activities they have helped due to this change...

  • Capitol Pilots, can now move and be safe from hunters...
  • Everyone staying hidden, now super hard to identify if someone has "jumped" or "logged" off
  • War targets don't know if I am online... and I don't know if they are online...
  • And more...


Proposed list of fixes...

  • Locator agents can now tell us the online/offline status of players
  • Locator agents are now less expensive
  • Locator agents can be passed a list of people you want to track down
  • Remote locator agent access skill
  • Time between locates is shorter
  • I would even propose more agents become locator agents (levels 3 & 4)


Please feel free to add to the lists below... I am sure some people will be super sour to these changes... On both sides...
Iain Cariaba
#2 - 2016-03-19 22:15:42 UTC
Fentus wrote:
Proposed list of fixes...

  • Locator agents can now tell us the online/offline status of players
  • Locator agents are now less expensive
  • Locator agents can be passed a list of people you want to track down
  • Remote locator agent access skill
  • Time between locates is shorter
  • I would even propose more agents become locator agents (levels 3 & 4)


Please feel free to add to the lists below... I am sure some people will be super sour to these changes... On both sides...

1. This would be a good compromise.
2. Less expensive? If you find the current cost of a location search to be too expensive, suggest you find a better way to make isk. They're already super cheap.
3. Ambivalent on this one.
4. No. You want to find out where someone is, go talk to the agent. It's not like they're usually far away, unless you're in nullsec.
5. The current wait time helps prevent abuse of the system.
6. There are already level 3 and 4 locator agents.

Personally though, I think the better solution to super pilots crying about being on everyone's watchlist would have been to simply delete all supers. So many problems with this game instantly solved by that one action.
Fentus
3RD World Patrol
#3 - 2016-03-20 22:59:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Fentus
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Khal Sith
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-03-21 00:03:08 UTC
Yea I agree they should not have removed this function even though i dont use it myself. Option 1 seems like a good option even though I just wish they would remove the supers all together as the previous post mentioned.
Unadvised
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-03-21 01:01:44 UTC
My biggest complaint is going to be bounty hunting! This game is played by players of all different time zones. The fun is going to be taken away with trying to hunt someone or a group of someone's and not knowing if their ever online!

With the current system, how are we going to know if someone logged out or jump cloned away....
Fentus
3RD World Patrol
#6 - 2016-03-21 06:00:22 UTC
Unadvised wrote:
My biggest complaint is going to be bounty hunting! This game is played by players of all different time zones. The fun is going to be taken away with trying to hunt someone or a group of someone's and not knowing if their ever online!

With the current system, how are we going to know if someone logged out or jump cloned away....


The sad truth is no one can be 100% sure now... so now everyone has to prepare for anything when engaging in a fight... even dirty log on / log off traps Twisted I guess this is a good thing for us war decing corps.. But I still don't like the disconnect from people.