EVE General Discussion

Greetings everyone!


The topic I am about to touch today is, without any doubt, is very controversial. Many have claimed that injectors are ruining the game, it's making it P2W and other stuff that has been discussed numerless amounts of times. However, I am to approach the issue with a different perspective: Injectors are ruining economics of Eve.

Yep, that's right. But how, one may ask? How are they ruining it? Plex don't, Aurum don't, why Injectors have to ruin it?

The answer, however, is simple. Injectors are a guaranteed money income for a character.

Woah, hold your horses, that's bs! - One might say. But thing is, your sp is actually your money now, whether you want to treat it like it or not. Yeah, if you extract your skills, you get the money, but you don't really progress any way. Well, I agree, but if you do extract them, that's (if we take average amount of SP trained per month) a free 700m (more if you are a trader and make some manipulations) that you will recieve every month. On a current scale, it;s 7/10 of a PLEX. Well, kinda.

One might argue that there are other passive incomes in Eve, like PI or through science; and that is true, however they yield NOWHERE close to the income the Skill trading may yield, let alone that PI only pays more or less well in a risky areas (WH or 0.0) and science requires to grind firstly alot of skills, then alot of standings, and still you won't make even a 1/10 of what SP gives you per month.

But hey, it's not that bad, right? Well, it is. A guaranteed income for everyone (if they are above ~4 months old, the very moment when you can extract the skills) tends to increase overall ISK in the possesion of every person. There are more or less rewarding crafts out threre, but there have been ages since their income was revised (like in Incursions or WH). Having in possesion more isks undermines every source of income in Eve making it less and less valuabe.

But what about consequences? Well, we can see very first consequence of the Skill injectors - raise in prices on the character bazaar market that will only grow alongside the price of the skill injectors. I am quite certain it is no secret that right now the majority of the deals are made by the SP traders rather than people actually interested in buying a character. Most of the characters bought there are immediatly stripped, as a result there are loads of extracted toons for sale. That is definatly gonna end character bazaar if this trend continues.

But what's next? Well, the overall, slight but still rise in prices. The more people can afford, the higher will be the prices - thus destryong professions that have firm payments (incursions, mission-running, partly FW).

Long-term outcomes? I have no idea. Solutions? Well, all are to radical to be considered. Reason to shitpost? To Raise awareness, as right now I am not in any capability to think of the right solution.

Can't understand why people are so afraid of competition it is something normal in real world.
Get your head out of the sand box and adapt to changes it is how evolution works environment is changing and people need to adapt to survive. If industry and incursions are not profitable find something else plenty of opportunities like scamming people. It is not affected by skill injectors but may be affected by Citadels if people choose to avoid tread hubs as they will have 5% tax.

And NO injectors are not ruining the economy they are simply reforming it. Markets adapt between supply and demand.
If something is demanded but has limited supply it has big price. If Supply exceeds demand the price drops and people stop making it and start doing something else.

Your argument is based on the idea the prices are going to stay as is forever, give it a couple months and the tides might change

This effect and many others where predicted and discussed in the very first thread where they announced the extractors. I am not sure why this needs a new thread.

Price injector 642MIsk, Price Extractor 240MIsk= 400M ISK for you

I'm a 3 month noob, 2 days with 2 hour Relic hunt in Null= 130M ISK. Skillque something around 200+ days. Would I gimp myself for 400M? Certainly not. And the income of a vet will be way higher.

This income might be generated by people that have maxed out everything they need. If you have maxed out everything you need you will have much more lucrative incomes.

Only for stats: With +3 implants and remap I'm doing around 1.8M SP/month = 3 Extractor and still progeressing....... slowly.

You're forgetting that you can either use training time to improve your characters skillset OR you can use training time to generate SP for sale. It's one or the other, you can't do *both*.

Personally, I like that I could blat my way through Advanced Weapons Upgrades V and get a bunch of T1 and T2 ship skills to V quickly. Especially after spending my first 18 months in EVE flying Frigates while climbing Mount Core Skills.

On the downside, I've blown through all the liquid ISK I accumulated during that time very quickly and now I can't actually afford many of the ships I can now fly.......

Your math is also very bad.

By your figures, I could earn ~700m ISK/month/account selling SP. I can easily return 500m/month/character, or 1.5b/month/account through reasonably low effort Planetary Interaction.

The only thing proof positive here is the repetitive stupidity of this or that is ruining the game.

Miner calm down! Undock and play the game. Target something, or someone, hit F1, and enjoy.