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[FDU] [GMVA] Request for information on Caldari incursion in Akidagi

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Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#1 - 2016-03-17 03:54:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Julianus Soter
Recent news reports and Caldari Navy messages indicated that there was a significant engagement inside the Akidagi system, near the stargate leading to the Enaluri system, in the Ishaga constellation of Black Rise.

The Caldari Navy incorrectly identified this system as Caldari territory. Most recent strategic maps indicate quite the opposite is true, and the Gallente Federation has firm control over this and all adjacent low security space. This is an escalation that goes against the spirit of the Caldari State's participation in the EMERGENCY MILITIA WAR POWERS ACT, and will generate great concern amoung the Federal Defense Union private military contractors. We will take all necessary means to defend Federation territory from unwanted Caldari intrusions of this kind in the future.

As loyal supporters and defenders of the Federation, the Villore Accords and her allies request a formal explanation from the Federation Navy why it was a Caldari task force, not a Federal one, that intercepted this convoy, and why the Federation allows the Caldari State to police territory that has been won through rights of liberation and conquest.

The Caldari State has seen fit to release an unclassified press release regarding the subject. I see utterly no reason why the Gallente Federation, the greatest democracy in New Eden, must remain silent on this issue.

Regards,

Julianus Soter
Executor, Villore Accords
CEO, Moira corporation.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Morgan Wulver
SAYR Reserve Guard
SAYR Galactic
#2 - 2016-03-17 04:37:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Morgan Wulver
Reaaaaaaaaaallllly now.

Because while you might insist that the Akidagi system is under Gallente control, I would recommend that you purchase a history book before making such accusations. Black Rise was carved out by Caldari hands, and to this day remains Caldari territory with 27 systems under our jurisdiction vice the Federation's 22.

You're no more the rightful owners of the Akidagi system than an invasive species has the right to ravage the ecosystem it's introduced to.

Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#3 - 2016-03-17 05:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Julianus Soter
Morgan Wulver wrote:
Reaaaaaaaaaallllly now.

Because while you might insist that the Akidagi system is under Gallente control, I would recommend that you purchase a history book before making such accusations. Black Rise was carved out by Caldari hands, and to this day remains Caldar territory with 27 systems under our jurisdiction vice the Federation's 22.

You're no more the rightful owners of the Akidagi system than an invasive species has the right to ravage the ecosystem it's introduced to.


No doubt your strategic assessment is somewhat hampered by your... questionable combat experience and participation in the broader Gallente/Caldari warzone. I encourage you to step one jump into Ishaga constellation this week and witness for yourself the 'jurisdiction' the Caldari State holds in Black Rise.

Unfortunately, you will no doubt end up in a cloning bay before you return to highsec. I hope the experience will not be overly traumatic for you. I hear that meditation at one of those Caldari "zen gardens" can help with the inevitable post-cloning PTSD.

Regardless, if the Federal Defense Union desired, the nominal Caldari control over the remaining 27 systems in Black Rise would be rapidly corrected and the inhabitants of the many colonies there liberated. In the past six months there has been no State Protectorate organization capable of presenting significant military resistance. Our pilots are in fact very dissapointed with this turn of affairs, as it robs of us of regular combat training opportunities.

All of this of course is a side issue to the matter at hand: Federation Navy assets needless had important information about the conflict in Akidagi, and we request the release of this information for the benefit of the defenders of Federation border territories.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#4 - 2016-03-17 06:11:33 UTC
Do you ever do anything worthwhile?

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#5 - 2016-03-17 06:21:23 UTC
Let me expound upon my views.

You're a petty warlord.

Even that term is giving you more credit than you deserve. I suppose I should say you're merely petty.

The warzone has shifted only marginally, slowly, back-and-forth, over the course of the past several years, even since that brief period where I was a participant. You posture endlessly about your dominance over the warzone, but what can you point to as your personal achievement? You claim you're master of this domain. Prove it. Prove you're in fact not a flaccid facsimile of a leader and take it. Prove you're in fact not a jumped-up, puffed-up, self-important, self-declared figurehead and do the thing you declare you're capable of.

In the meantime, evidently the Caldari Navy engaged in a newsworthy engagement in territory you claim as rightfully yours.

Truly, you are a master of your domain.

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2016-03-17 06:32:22 UTC
If you have to actually ask for this information in a communications channel as insecure as the IGS clearly you haven't got any good connections with the other big players in the 'war zone' affiliated with the FDU. I say go work on building these connections and ask them.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#7 - 2016-03-17 06:36:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Julianus Soter
Makoto Priano wrote:
Let me expound upon my views.

You're a petty warlord.

Even that term is giving you more credit than you deserve. I suppose I should say you're merely petty.

The warzone has shifted only marginally, slowly, back-and-forth, over the course of the past several years, even since that brief period where I was a participant. You posture endlessly about your dominance over the warzone, but what can you point to as your personal achievement? You claim you're master of this domain. Prove it. Prove you're in fact not a flaccid facsimile of a leader and take it. Prove you're in fact not a jumped-up, puffed-up, self-important, self-declared figurehead and do the thing you declare you're capable of.

In the meantime, evidently the Caldari Navy engaged in a newsworthy engagement in territory you claim as rightfully yours.

Truly, you are a master of your domain.



It is deeply disappointing for such a popular figure in the realm of wormhole space science and archaeology to have a clearly short sighted view of this situation.

Does your curiosity cease simply because my name is seen on the forums? Or are you simply bigoted against Federation loyalists, in general?

The Caldari State will not release the needed information, as it is highly classified and critical to their war effort in the militia war zone. The Federation can, because it was lilkely there and no doubt observing with Helios-class covert reconnaissance vessels and taking detailed recordings of the engagement. Furthermore, it provides the Federation an easy opportunity to highlight Caldari State Navy duplicity and score public relations points.

My attempt here is an 'easy win' in other words, for the Federal Navy to kill two birds with one stone.

Now, why would I bother with such a thing? Primarily: A 'third party' that was not capsuleer in origin operated a squadron of technologically advanced fighter craft in open space with no known faction allegiance. This new faction destabilizes the entire astropolitical scene at a very inopportune time, given the recent death of the Amarr empress, and other catastrophic events inside the Cluster.

But please, Makoto, tell me how "I never do anything productive".

For readers that aren't familiar, Makoto used to belong to an alliance, Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive, that declared war on Moira. several years ago. The conflict was short and inconsequential, but needless to say, I-RED today no longer exists as an active capsuleer entity due to ineffectual leadership and malpractice. Any words she speaks against me today are no doubt tainted from this history.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#8 - 2016-03-17 06:41:03 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
If you have to actually ask for this information in a communications channel as insecure as the IGS clearly you haven't got any good connections with the other big players in the 'war zone' affiliated with the FDU. I say go work on building these connections and ask them.


The Federal Defense Union's chosen representatives, are, as you know, extremely unlikely to communicate directly with information requests. Public requests for information have, on numerous occasions, met with far greater success.

And indeed, the Gallente Federation would benefit from releasing such a declassified report, as my previous comments describe in detail.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#9 - 2016-03-17 06:44:07 UTC
The Big Four don't really much care it seems when it comes to whom's flag is planted on a system by Capsuleers. Welcome to the real world.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#10 - 2016-03-17 06:53:27 UTC
It's hilarious, Soter, that you cite history before my active participation in an alliance against me, as if it's proof that... what? That my words are tainted by the fact that you're a pandering, mewl-mouthed, self-important ****?

Remember your nonsensical, inconsequential Okkamon blockade? Even the Scope reported that your Okkamon blockade amounted to nothing.

Stop your pandering and do something momentous.

Otherwise, all of your empty words on the IGS are tantamount to nothing. They serve merely to cloak the mundane goings-on in a border war that's bubbled without resolution for nearly a decade.

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Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#11 - 2016-03-17 06:57:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Julianus Soter
Utari Onzo wrote:
The Big Four don't really much care it seems when it comes to whom's flag is planted on a system by Capsuleers. Welcome to the real world.


The Caldari State auctioned off entire star systems seven years ago when the State Protectorate took the warzone. Territorial control in under the Emergency Militia War Powers Act is real and substantive. It applies to both the 'baseliner' citizen on a temperate planet, and to the Capsuleers that get locked out of stations when systems change sovereignty.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#12 - 2016-03-17 07:10:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Julianus Soter
Makoto Priano wrote:
It's hilarious, Soter, that you cite history before my active participation in an alliance against me, as if it's proof that... what? That my words are tainted by the fact that you're a pandering, mewl-mouthed, self-important ****?

Remember your nonsensical, inconsequential Okkamon blockade? Even the Scope reported that your Okkamon blockade amounted to nothing.

Stop your pandering and do something momentous.

Otherwise, all of your empty words on the IGS are tantamount to nothing. They serve merely to cloak the mundane goings-on in a border war that's bubbled without resolution for nearly a decade.


The sheer boredom of not seeing anything in Okkamon to shoot was enough reason to leave the system alone. There are a hundred and one systems to care for in this warzone, and if our enemy chooses to abandon the field of battle in one in particular to avoid taking horrific losses, I am utterly unable to stop them.

My capsuleer career is replete with actions and events that back up my words. I could name many if you feel otherwise. For the time being, what IS important is information. The rogue fleet seen in Akidagi is on the doorstep of the Federation, and if there is in fact a larger organization behind it, it must be brought into the light as quickly as possible.

I fear there are many dark and bloody events on our horizon. GMVA will engage them with the utmost of our quite significant ability. It saddens me that for one so publicly in support of science and investigation of the deeper truth behind wormhole space, you choose to ignore the very real and disastrous implications of the technology from those wormhole systems. Rogue organizations are forming, using these artifacts to wage war in new and unpredictable ways.

It is for this reason I am so passionate about this issue. Since the Seyllin event over seven years ago, the consequences of Sleeper technology have not been properly addressed by the interstellar community. I am strongly convinced that the engagement in Akidagi is directly related to new pilot-ship interfaces not restricted by CONCORD protocols.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#13 - 2016-03-17 07:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Utari Onzo
Tell that to the Empire, Soter, who dutifully beat back Blooder raids on its citizens and holdings despite several of those systems being under the "rightful sovereignty" of the Republic at the time.

Do you honestly think all four signatories would totally, and completely, allow for full sovereignty of all assets in a system to be under the whims of Capsuleers? You think the system allows Baseliner populations to have innumerable changes of citizenship and which authority is taxing them this week? Get real.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#14 - 2016-03-17 08:01:00 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
why the Federation allows the Caldari State to police territory that has been won through rights of liberation and conquest.


Politics.

Quote:
I see utterly no reason why the Gallente Federation, the greatest democracy in New Eden, must remain silent on this issue.


Politics.


General, surely you can appreciate, that there exists, behind closed doors, a whole morass of political shenaniganery, that the capsuleer population, even ones as senior as yourself, is not invited to.

"Sir, are we allowed to win this time?" is a question that soldiers have asked of senior officers since time immemorial.

Politics. Politics everywhere.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
#15 - 2016-03-17 11:19:28 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:


As loyal supporters and defenders of the Federation, the Villore Accords and her allies request a formal explanation from the Federation Navy why it was a Caldari task force, not a Federal one, that intercepted this convoy, and why the Federation allows the Caldari State to police territory that has been won through rights of liberation and conquest.


Thoun Gaterau wrote:
I will also add, that due to the simply astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism, the Federal Administration will regard you as incapable of command from here forward, and will defer our communications to other loyalist parties who serve in the Federation's best interests.

If Villore Accords seek to elect a replacement leader who exhibits competence and reliability that the Federation can count on, we will reconsider this position.

source: Offical response to FOI request from Soter himself

Tell me again about how you are a loyal representative of the Gallente Federation, in fact the last public communication from the Federal government was to call you out as exhibiting as quoted above 'astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism

Ms Priano is correct in her observations that you are nothing more then a pandering warlord, and given you clearly failed to prevent some freighters crossing your territory nor the Caldari response, coupled with your failed 'Blockade' also rather evidently not a very good one it seems. I suggest you take yourself somewhere more suited to your obvious lack of talent, backbone or professionalism. May I suggest Callie's infamous Red Light district I hear you heathens pay a pretty penny for 'war heroes'

Shitposts so bad CONCORD gave me a 50 billion ISK bounty

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#16 - 2016-03-17 11:56:56 UTC
That thread blew up in your face quickly, Soter.
Well done.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#17 - 2016-03-17 12:55:13 UTC
Akidagi system belongs to Caldari State.

Any FDU member trespassing is considered as a bandit and occupant, it should be eliminated on contact. Support of neutral vessels in destroying gallentean threat is encouraged.

Death to gallentean occupants! Clean the space from presence of these criminals.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#18 - 2016-03-17 13:24:34 UTC
I do find the level of vitriol directed at a perfectly reasonable request from General Soter rather disturbing. Or perhaps, illuminating, as those usually presenting something of an unaligned persona on the IGS reveal an intriguingly ugly attitude.

General, whereas your service to Federation interests is greatly appreciated by the ordinary citizen, you must be aware that our present government is necessarily more ambivalent to the wider militia. Further, I think it is reasonable to expect the Caldari to prosecute an anti-pirate operation to its end, even in disputed territory, and without formal reference to any Federal administration, let alone the assorted militias. Much as I would wish it otherwise, despite the efforts of the Federal Defense Union forces, the region is not yet formally annexed to the Federation by treaty.

It is not beyond the limits of political expediency that the Federal Navy ignored such a mission by the State into disputed territory, as the outcome - the elimination of Gurista assets - suits both governments. Equally, I would be thoroughly amazed if such - 'arrangements' is too strong a word - accommodations would be made public.

Finally, one might theorise that the interference from an unknown third party would ignite the detailed interest of the Federal Intelligence Office, and as we are often made too aware, they do like their secret investigations. It gives them something to apologise for in front of Senate Intelligence Committee hearings.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#19 - 2016-03-17 15:40:23 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
The rogue fleet seen in Akidagi is on the doorstep of the Federation, and if there is in fact a larger organization behind it, it must be brought into the light as quickly as possible.


To explain, Soter, there are two reasons I take such an intense dislike to you.

In the first place, your statements are at times hilariously myopic. You cite the rogue fleet being at the doorstep of the Federation as reason for the interest, as demonstration of a threat to the Federation, while blithely ignoring that Ichoriya, a Caldari high-sec system that is untouchable to you, is immediately adjacent, as if the temporary control of a relatively minor, station-less system in Black Rise, relatively far from Federal sovereignty, is a thing that actually matters in the halls of power. In doing so, you inflate your own importance and the regard you assume you're held in.

In the second place, you participate in the dialectic here only briefly, irregularly, and with a particular penchant for self-promotion that is grating. What's more, you do it in a way that I suspect is specifically intended to inflame a response, and then act shocked, shocked when so many of the pilots here treat you with disdain at the very least. Maker, even the FIO has had issues with your posturing, as Lord Lucas Raholan pointed out earlier.

Yes, we're all very curious about what's going on. Indeed, some of us were engaging in public discussion of the report not fifteen minutes after the Scope broadcast. We're simply not petitioning the Federation for information on an engagement that occurred between the Caldari Navy and the Guristas, when we could instead inquire directly with those groups.

Mr. Kinnison;

Soter provokes those responses, and very much by design. In brief, the list of pilots I take a dislike to is a very short one. It is, at present, composed of only those few whose nationalistic bend renders them seemingly unaware of the greater world, or those few whose willful cruelty marks them as a danger to those who would do well by others. Soter is the former.

While you and I are of clearly different political views, you penetrated immediately to the heart of the matter: the Federation has not intervened or made a declaration because the situation suits its interests. Your politics have not blinded you to reality. Soter, instead, makes a self-aggrandizing statement.

Please do understand that it is a rare case where I engage in such vitriol in a public.

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Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2016-03-17 16:20:14 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Let me expound upon my views.

You're a petty warlord.

Even that term is giving you more credit than you deserve. I suppose I should say you're merely petty.

The warzone has shifted only marginally, slowly, back-and-forth, over the course of the past several years, even since that brief period where I was a participant. You posture endlessly about your dominance over the warzone, but what can you point to as your personal achievement? You claim you're master of this domain. Prove it. Prove you're in fact not a flaccid facsimile of a leader and take it. Prove you're in fact not a jumped-up, puffed-up, self-important, self-declared figurehead and do the thing you declare you're capable of.

I hate Black Rise more than anyone but at least be factual.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/factionwarfare/Gallente_Federation

GalMil Has dominated the warzone unlike any milita, ...and for years. I do not know a single thing about this person you are arguing with outside of the few times I have fought his fleets; But,he is executor of Villore Accords, his alliance lives in Vlillirier, a system that has been held by the gallente longer than the Goons have owned VFK.

I think the milita conflicts are a farce bought into by people who have a low capacity for independent thinking but even I realize that calling the leader of Villore Accords a "petty warlord," the fortress-systems of Galmil "marginal back and forth" is even more of a farce.

Honestly, looking at a few systems I know have long histories Vlillirier just might be the longest-owned non-empire system in New Eden. I could be wrong but I do not care enough to look through every single factional war and nullsec system and find its capture date. (There is no way to find that information on wormhole systems.)

Longest capsuleer-held system in new eden in the statistically most stable and dominated warzone. The facts just are not with your side unless there is some way you can prove he was just a figurehead through all of the six years his alliance secured that system.

Utari Onzo wrote:
The Big Four don't really much care it seems when it comes to whom's flag is planted on a system by Capsuleers. Welcome to the real world.

It is the big four's flags being planted. The war is on behalf of the big four. They pay thousands of capsuleers billions of ISK and give them special access to navy weaponry to plant their flags on these systems. It is called a proxy war for territory.

How is this not clear to you people.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

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