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Isn't flashing yellow skull shootable anywhere?

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K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-03-10 05:53:20 UTC
So I was camping Jita last night and shot a yellow ship with flashing yellow skull, according to overview settings it clearly states that this is a suspect timer and the target can be shot by anyone anywhere....

I got criminally flagged and popped.

Soooo..... it isn't a suspect timer? Whats with all the flashing yellow skulls NOT getting shot? Is this some weird troll mechanic?
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
#2 - 2016-03-10 06:28:03 UTC
no, you were not flagged as criminal hence you were not concordokkened, you died through sentries.

unlike concord, sentries attack when you lose sec. status, how you managed that idk.

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K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#3 - 2016-03-10 10:17:48 UTC
Thanks for your reply Nat.

All I did was shoot a frig with flashing yellow skull. My friend who was with me at the time can confirm, he was remote boosting me with sebo's and he just told me concordokker is on his death mail... but I can confirm concord wasn't on mine, that was just because sentries got me before concord could.

So in short we were infact concordokkerend for shooting a flashing yellow skull.
ISD Chanisa Nemes
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#4 - 2016-03-10 14:49:02 UTC
Where did you attack him? I'm assuming it was in high sec? Perhaps on a gate?

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K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-03-10 15:22:41 UTC
ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote:
Where did you attack him? I'm assuming it was in high sec? Perhaps on a gate?


It was on Jita main trade station

Concord was involved

Three accounts confirmed he was flashing yellow skull (suspect, can be shot anywhere form what it says in-game)
Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2016-03-10 16:34:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
I noticed your other thread about lag and Jita is laggy even if you have a good ping, it is possible his suspect status ended and you shot him within a tick or two of it ending. It may also be possible you locked the wrong player and engaged. Either way, your safety must not have been set to green. You should never change it to red unless you are suicide ganking. If your safety was set to green, petiton it, you shouldn't have been able to engage in a criminal act if it was.

It may also be possible you messed with your overview settings and inadvertently changed something so that it shows people who are not necessarily suspect as yellow flashy. But based on you saying others also saw him as flashy I don't think this is the case.

The reason they are sitting on the undock flashy is that they are trying to bait the uneducated into a fight and have logi either already on grid, just off grid or sitting in the station waiting for someone to engage. You can shoot them but just keep in mind it's not only the flashy you will be fighting.

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Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
Villore Accords
#7 - 2016-03-10 16:56:00 UTC
You probably had eyes on him with an alt that saw him as an engageable target in that security system. Maybe he jumped into a lower sec status and was no longer criminal there. Either way, check your settings. I don't think criminals flash by default, adding another chance of something being wrong on your side.
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#8 - 2016-03-10 17:10:17 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I noticed your other thread about lag and Jita is laggy even if you have a good ping, it is possible his suspect status ended and you shot him within a tick or two of it ending. It may also be possible you locked the wrong player and engaged. Either way, your safety must not have been set to green. You should never change it to red unless you are suicide ganking. If your safety was set to green, petiton it, you shouldn't have been able to engage in a criminal act if it was.

It may also be possible you messed with your overview settings and inadvertently changed something so that it shows people who are not necessarily suspect as yellow flashy. But based on you saying others also saw him as flashy I don't think this is the case.

The reason they are sitting on the undock flashy is that they are trying to bait the uneducated into a fight and have logi either already on grid, just off grid or sitting in the station waiting for someone to engage. You can shoot them but just keep in mind it's not only the flashy you will be fighting.


yeh we concluded that it may have just been laggy + bad timimng. I also suspect something is up with my overview and will check it properly soon.
Paranoid Loyd
#9 - 2016-03-10 17:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
This is a pretty popular article on setting up your overview.

Just to reiterate, your safety should not have been on red.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

ISD Chanisa Nemes
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#10 - 2016-03-10 17:39:26 UTC
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I noticed your other thread about lag and Jita is laggy even if you have a good ping, it is possible his suspect status ended and you shot him within a tick or two of it ending. It may also be possible you locked the wrong player and engaged. Either way, your safety must not have been set to green. You should never change it to red unless you are suicide ganking. If your safety was set to green, petiton it, you shouldn't have been able to engage in a criminal act if it was.

It may also be possible you messed with your overview settings and inadvertently changed something so that it shows people who are not necessarily suspect as yellow flashy. But based on you saying others also saw him as flashy I don't think this is the case.

The reason they are sitting on the undock flashy is that they are trying to bait the uneducated into a fight and have logi either already on grid, just off grid or sitting in the station waiting for someone to engage. You can shoot them but just keep in mind it's not only the flashy you will be fighting.


yeh we concluded that it may have just been laggy + bad timimng. I also suspect something is up with my overview and will check it properly soon.



This is a situation where putting your safety to yellow would be the best course of action. It would allow you to still engage people but it will prohibit you from doing anything that would result in you getting concorded.

ISD Chanisa Nemes

Lieutenant

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Interstellar Services Department

Paranoid Loyd
#11 - 2016-03-10 17:48:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote:
This is a situation where putting your safety to yellow would be the best course of action. It would allow you to still engage people but it will prohibit you from doing anything that would result in you getting concorded.
Ugh It's disappointing you would follow a post where you didn't read the OP with another post that is bad advice. Please choose your words more carefully. People (as they should) expect advice coming from an ISD to be reliable. This is a very misleading statement, there is no correlation between being able to engage someone that is a legal target and the safety being on yellow. You can engage legal targets with the safety on green.

There is no reason to have your safety on yellow unless you are planning to do something that will make you suspect just as there is no reason to have your safety on red unless you are going to do something criminal. This is especially true if you are new and don't have a full understanding of how the mechanics work.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#12 - 2016-03-13 13:32:49 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Ugh It's disappointing you would follow a post where you didn't read the OP with another post that is bad advice. Please choose your words more carefully. People (as they should) expect advice coming from an ISD to be reliable. This is a very misleading statement, there is no correlation between being able to engage someone that is a legal target and the safety being on yellow. You can engage legal targets with the safety on green.

There is no reason to have your safety on yellow unless you are planning to do something that will make you suspect just as there is no reason to have your safety on red unless you are going to do something criminal. This is especially true if you are new and don't have a full understanding of how the mechanics work.



+1

As Loyd said, even with safety set to green, you can engage legitimate (i.e. flashy) targets in highsec.

I, too, have noticed that some of the advice offered recently by other ISDs in NCQ&A has been in this mould. It would be helpful (particularly to new players) if the advice offered by ISDs were consistently accurate - I imagine that people, particularly as brand new players, would be much more inclined to take the advice of someone obviously connected with the game company over that offered by other players.

Not ISD bashing, just pointing out that we are all human and mistakes do indeed occur.

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SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2016-03-14 18:01:26 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote:
This is a situation where putting your safety to yellow would be the best course of action. It would allow you to still engage people but it will prohibit you from doing anything that would result in you getting concorded.
Ugh It's disappointing you would follow a post where you didn't read the OP with another post that is bad advice. Please choose your words more carefully. People (as they should) expect advice coming from an ISD to be reliable. This is a very misleading statement, there is no correlation between being able to engage someone that is a legal target and the safety being on yellow. You can engage legal targets with the safety on green.

There is no reason to have your safety on yellow unless you are planning to do something that will make you suspect just as there is no reason to have your safety on red unless you are going to do something criminal. This is especially true if you are new and don't have a full understanding of how the mechanics work.



You can't even fire a smart bomb unless your safety is set to red.

Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-03-15 21:54:33 UTC
SeaSaw wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote:
This is a situation where putting your safety to yellow would be the best course of action. It would allow you to still engage people but it will prohibit you from doing anything that would result in you getting concorded.
Ugh It's disappointing you would follow a post where you didn't read the OP with another post that is bad advice. Please choose your words more carefully. People (as they should) expect advice coming from an ISD to be reliable. This is a very misleading statement, there is no correlation between being able to engage someone that is a legal target and the safety being on yellow. You can engage legal targets with the safety on green.

There is no reason to have your safety on yellow unless you are planning to do something that will make you suspect just as there is no reason to have your safety on red unless you are going to do something criminal. This is especially true if you are new and don't have a full understanding of how the mechanics work.



You can't even fire a smart bomb unless your safety is set to red.



and in Nullsec/WH space.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#15 - 2016-03-15 22:08:43 UTC
I'm going to take a punt and say their Suspect timer ran out just as you engaged. it's been known to happen.

Estella Osoka wrote:
and in Nullsec/WH space.


not so, you can smartbomb in lowsec (fly a pod around Tama or Rancer and you'll find out what I mean), and even in HiSec.

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