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Well, that's no fun.

As for the per jump fee, I thought we were moving away from pointless fees? We used to have death clone fees and got rid of those because they were a detractor to participation. Though, 5M isn't exactly a lot. Still kind of surprised to see something like that being implemented.

Lucas stop being deliberately contrary and trying to make this personal.

They changed the clone fees, it doesn't matter to me as I rarely use them...but I fully sympathise with those that do.

Same with the Jump Freighter guys. The cooldown mechanics were a ***** of a change which have had little effect on me...but I sympathised with the guys it did effect.

Industry and refining changes, I sucked it up and bought a pos and the arrays I needed.

I haven't even started on the tax increases..

So I'll reiterate, I'm not after or demanding anything I don't already have. This change just stinks for the small guys in the game. It stinks of collusion between ccp and the csm to force small corps into the big alliances.


Ok I have choices, fit just 2 rigs to a medium and take the hit on Ice refining so I can fit a weapons/defensive rig. But it doesn't alter the fact that I'm losing isk because of the change. Also facilities I currently have are going to cost me 2-10bn to regain.

It's probably worth saying that he doesn't want the benefits of the Citadel as he's doing this stuff in his PoS already...

I am post #7 of that thread, so let's put aside the question of anteriority as it appears you cherry pick what you read to fuel your... ego? I'm going to assume it's that rather than anything else, because I quite frankly don't see anything but 'you are wrong, and I am right' in what you say.

Tell you what, you win at posting volume, ok? Congratulations *\o/*

Now to the actual meat of the argument:

The clone, as of now, is a pay once, use whenever mechanic. Like ships, like citadels, even. Sure, you can have badly fitted ships, and unfueled citadels that wont get you the optimal result you'd like to have those things for, but you have paid for something that you can use when the time comes. I'm assuming citadels will still have the regeneration and reinforcement timers even unfueled here, but I'm not sure of myself.

With the proposed jump clone fee for each jump, we switch to something like a subscription+rental model. You have access to it, but you can't use it unless you pay. The alternative being you pay big bucks, and a recurring fee on top of it, so that your users don't have to pay.

Now let's take the vast majority of newbie/casual pvpers:
The do their thing in their corner, preferably avoiding getting ganked, and have fun in their own way. That's key, they are playing the game they want to play, or think they do.
Here comes little me : "Hey, have you ever tried pvp? it's actually a lot of fun to be actively fighting, win or loose, rather than forever be on the receiving end of l33t HS warriors. Come check it out, we'll give you ships, and you can continue on till our FC calls it quits"
That newbro (to pvp) eyes me suspiciously and asks why the hell he should follow me and loose ships with me rather than carry on his routine that brings him sufficient fun, thank you very much.
To viz, my only argument is "well, it's a different way to play the game, and until you know if you actually enjoy it or not, it won't cost you anything that you're not willing to risk, so why not?"
So he does. He flies with me, gets on some dank kills, has some fun, but is still unconvinced. To that I can currently tell him "you know what? leave your clone here, come back whenever you want, we are always knee deep in shenanigans, make your own opinion"
And he does. He'll sometimes spend a day or two in null with us, and form his opinion on random samplings, not on specifically tailored events.

With that jump tax? he won't do it. Not because it's too expensive, but because it's a toll booth on a road he isn't sure he actually wants to take.

Simple as that.

Can we afford to have a fund for the special events? sure. We'll pay for every casual and truly new pvpers. The rest of the time? I'm sure as hell not managing creating content on a daily basis for them AS WELL AS micromanaging receipts for 2d vacations.

Those people will be lost to the pool of pvpers out there, whether they fly with me or against me. I think that's a shame.

You mean, like what he has now?

Which is so wrong?

And that's just rude.

Can't you still jump to the clone even tho the citadel have no clone facility ? In that case, why would you still collect the fee for jumping ?

Yes, that's what he would be asking for if he was looking only to retain current functionality, but that's not what he's asking for.

Not wrong to ask for, just wrong for CCP to simply grant because someone wants it.

How is it rude? He currently has a 52% refine in a POS, and citadels with t2 rigs will have 55%. If CCP made a special citadel that works like a POS currently does and doesn't refine at 55%, the claim would suddenly swap to how unfair it is that someone with a medium citadel can gain 3% more base refine and he can't.

I know right? It's gonna be awesome, finally the game will start to have consequences for even more actions! Even if they are just isk based.

What corp? I'm CAS (starter NPC corp), partly because that's the only way we can interact with actual newbies before they start their 'let's try that corp, and that corp, and that corp, oh damn, I'll make my own' danse.

Donating to us is called 'taxes', not that I will ever see the color of it ;)

How? All it goes against is the idea that anyone become anything for no cost, which is simply not a part of EVE and hopefully never will be.

Again, read. I didn't say become proficient or good at a specific gameplay, which takes effort and dedication, and, yes, resources.

I said try and be allowed to be bad at it without feeling bad about it.