EVE General Discussion

A glaring symptom of this new sov system seems to be the opposite of the HP grind system. By limiting attackers to 1, you've also reduced the response to near 1.

I can show up and jam the attacker, damp them, or shoot them. What I've found after several quick response fleets is the attackers are mostly Exodus small gangs ringing a doorbell. That type of gameplay does nothing for me, but I can appreciate their good fortune through game design.

Compare this to at least 50 duders required in the past, and entosis looks a lot like pure harassment.

Now. I think it's clear this thread was started out of frustration and there's no way to spin that. It does prove my point, however, that entosis is probably not the type of thing customers enjoy.

I think capture should look like a pool of 500 or 1000 entosis minutes, with a cap on simultaneous entosis modules based on ADM.

The logic behind it is to swap capitals needed in the past with subcapitals, each with an entosis link. This breaks up the capital requirement of HP grinds, and also solves the small gang harassment.

I am posting this as one of Asher's children who enjoyed 50-man Ishtar HP grinds in Querious and other parts of Sov space.

If you are right, then there is no need for a fleet to defend every system. Put 10 guys per system on "entosis duty" and let the others do as they please. Tne OP will then have his entosis free days. Problem solved.

"Just one more nerf"

Sounds like those damn carebear haulers all over again.

I think we will see a citadel-like damage cap make an appearance in sov structures after it has been validated after release. Probably something like Asher's idea about ADM affecting EHP.

But it would be a shame to see guerilla tactics disappear entirely.

Yeah I feel like calling it guerrilla tactics lends it more credibility than it deserves.

I think having a window is part of the issue. the old system had no window so the window is actual a bouns to the defender then again i don;t live in sov.

your alliance size is meaningless and irrelevant if you are lazy and/or incompetent to protect your space.

Not that unrealistic. From the phrasing used around citadels I imagine sov will be part of them and fall under their defense mechanics in the long run.

Does it need to be explained to you why a game designed to entertain players shouldn't have mechanics which make people stand on "on duty", or can you figure that one out on your own?

Well, yes, it was. There were far fewer times where things were just being timered up for a joke because it took much more commitment to do it and there were more fights revolving around it. Now it's a lot of one on one entosis vs ecm "fights" almost constantly with the occasion minor escalation. The best fights are still being generated around POS attacks which are based on the old system.

But right now under the entosis system you still have appointments with a reinforcement timer it just takes one dude to trigger it and it takes almost no commitment from the attacker so it happens constantly. Both attacking and defending are effectively mining too which makes it all the less interesting. Citadels will take at least a small force to assault and you'll need to be committed to the fight if you want it to have any impact.

That's because small groups who don't hold sov or don't care about the sov they hold aren't negatively impacted, so why would they complain? They get to cause a massive reaction and risk losing one ship to do it.

In my mind the system should only really benefit attackers who actually want to take sov, so there has to be something that commits them to seeing it through. This whole ringing the doorbell then running away yelling "lol, made you react" thing should actually be documented as a prime example of terrible game design.

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Sure, using small ships to harass has always and will always be a thing, but using a single small disposable ship to actually contest soc, that's new, and dumb.

If a wormhole group deployed away from their wormhole, they'd only lose it if someone put in the effort to take it. If a WH group left I couldn't show up in a single frigate and take over the wormhole.

Vulnerability windows are only required because they've lowered the bar for attacking sov to a point that without vulnerability windows people who can't field a fleet in all time zones would constantly wake up to find they have no sov. Those windows are to allow geographically local groups to ensure they have a chance to defend themselves.