Player Features and Ideas Discussion

For future reference anything that is labeled an Iwin button must contain win in every conceivable faucet when pressed.

Off-Topic: Gallente strategy is'nt to flee, it's quite the other way in fact: Those blasters makes you have to get close and personnal with the ennemy. Also, from where do you think they took that eagle on the Gallente flag?

On the french issue, i really dont get it why we, french speaking people, have that kind of reputation. I mean, yes i do prefer diplomacy over guns or fists, but most western countries are like that (even UK). Only americans has laws that allows people to walk around in the middle of a city or town armed to the teeth. I mean, why would you even need that kind of firepower? To fight other guns. So if the others dont have guns, that means you dont need yours. It also explains why gang wars and/or racial tensions always becomes shooting and a lot of people dies. Americans arent the only ones who has gang wars, Canadians (yes canadians) do have that problem as well and we dont always see people being shot on the news.

On topic: Like i said in another thread, why not give them what they want? They want killmails? Fine, give them. I mean, they did pushed the guy to destroy his ship by tackling and shooting it. Of course, they wont get any more loot since the pilot destroyed all of his stuff when he self-destroyed, anyway (modules can be overloaded to blow up).

Cause every other nation has some form of joke for another nation . I am sure the french say something about stupid americans and we americans in turn make fun of french "tactical retreats" or their "croaking voices" , Brits got bad teeth and drive on the wrong side of the road . Its all in good humor though , we still eat "french fries" with our "american burgers" cause they make beef patties better.

As for the whine of getting a killmail, it basicly breaks down to this question:

So how does it feel be a ____, _____?

winner, champ.
loser, chump.

I am quite certain, any human prefers the first pair over the second pair. Human behavior doesn't respond well to a loss and anything to put a salve on a bruised ego so they don't look like a chump . I can't think of a better reason of making someone feel like a loser (justification enough to leave SD as is), because if you are taking a ship from me then I will take the KM from you so we both end up being losers . One is just going to rush to the forums to "fix" this exploit, but I will be smug in the fact it wasn't me

I love how Aqriue etc keeps focusing on "griefing the other guy", when the main result of selfdestructing is lots of ships going up in smoke, sometimes for no reason at all. How many fights have been cut woefully short because the losing side decided it'd rather "think of its precious kill/death ratio on the killboards" than try to fight their way out, or at least make their losses cost the aggressors more (in ammo or ships)? We don't know, but I've seen this a lot.

How many dreads have just selfdestructed because they saw that someone else logged on a great deal of supers, and blew up before they were even tackled to preserve their precious kill/death ratio? We don't know, but I've seen multiple fleets doing this.

The last bit is particularly hilarious.

Still not seeing the point of differentiating self destruction from a normal death tbh. I say, if you're aggressed by one or more players, a killmail is produced, regardless of what lays the final shot, be it an NPC or a selfdestruct sequence.

And honestly, the "damage the ship gradually" way of selfdestructing could either be circumvented by repping, leading to potential perpetual griefing, and still doesn't really fix the problem of the "selfdestruct to save our kill/death ratios" mentality.

If you can't kill the guy in the time allotted, you didn't deserve the loot or the KM or the intel.
You still won the fight; he's still dead.

So what's the problem?

Have you ever been involved in a fight with a much larger blob of smaller ships, they have pointed you early on and you are dying. You are going to be the next great addition to their extensive kill mail collection. Then, when your down to 3/4 armor after making peace with slowly losing your ship over the last 10 minutes, you decide to self destruct, just so they don't get their trophy km but still force you to die. They just robbed you of that hard earned ship using an allowed game mechanic to do so.

So you might as well rob them of their joy using an allowed game mechanic to do so.

See what I did there?

I say fix self destruct. Remove kill mails and the combat log from Eve.

Much easier.

I <3 you, Zim, full on homo, but who cares? Let them.. they're STILL DEAD.

Edit: I really should clarify my position on this. I don't care if it does generate one or not, the ship still popped one way or the other. The generation of ~~mad~~ over it irritates me, though.. you still put your opponent in a position that his only option was to kill himself. YOU know he's dead. HE knows he's dead. Who cares beyond that?

See edit.

Let me spell it out further: If making killmails appear when someone selfdestructs while being aggressed causes even one person to fight as long as he can to make his death as expensive as possible for the aggressor, instead of selfdestructing to try to make his kill/death ratio look better, then the change would be worth it.