Wormholes

Hey Sir. It seems like you're angry about something specific that happened to you involving Yachts, can you clarify what happened and why you're so angry?

Just because this ship is easier to fly than the alternatives shouldn't make it a target for adjustments because some pvp groups are butt-hurt they can't catch them. Keeping in mind this strategy has been in game and in use for long before the Yacht was introduced.

Make it so higgs riggs can't be fit on them: What is the point of having this rig if they don't intend for people to be able to use the bonuses?

Make higgs riggs remove nulification: this just means they won't be fit on the ships used in this scenario, which increases time to crush but not any mechanics behind it.

Make higgs remove Cov ops cloak: again this just means the rig won't be fit, doesn't change mechanics in use.

Make it so yachts can't fit BS prop mods: yes, let's absolutely change it so no cruiser class ship cannot fit a BS prop, as there are no other fits that can take advantage of it's qualities. While you're at it then, no small hull can use cruiser sized props either.

All of these ideas that have been presented are short sighted and meant only to appease the few big groups that are upset someone tried to roll a hole instead of logging off because they were willing to take the risk to do so. If you're trying to force fights there are other mechanics that are needed to accomplish that.

Kill the fitting and remove rigs, or find a way to remove higgs fitting to them. If you only remove higgs they will still be viable since they can fit a battleship prop mod (why on earth did CCP give it such a large fitting room).

And the issue with them isn't so much that other groups can role in your face, its that you can't realistically catch them without something completely impractical, like shrouding the hole in capitals. For instance you want to use your chain but your static local farms want to yacht the hole, well RIP your static then.

And anyone who thinks they are balanced, thank you for letting me know in advance you're a farming corporation.

Why do folks seem to feel that they are entitled to fights or content? Several have pointed out here that the current mechanics provide capability for smaller entities to avoid larger entities. Why do the larger entities seem to feel that they're entitled to easy kills? If you're ISO-5 and putting 15-20 ships on my static, versus my 1-3 active people, why on earth should I be forced to spend my Eve time with that? Isn't that the equivalent of wardec station games? Just how fun is that? I'll answer for you: Its not. Its boring and silly and desperate.

I agree with the posts here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6386998#post6386998

And here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6387808#post6387808

This all seems to smack of opposing ends on the same stick:

"I'm large WH group and we're bored and frustrated and the small prey keeps running away!"

"I'm small WH group and we're bored and frustrated because there's 20 ships camping my static!"

Smaller groups will use tools at their disposal to change up the chain. Hey, that's a center piece to why any of us live there right, the new environment via each new static? Forcing smaller groups to take silly risks, such as being forced into higgs-rigged battleships, won't do anything realistic to satisfy either end of the stick, again, as others here have pointed out.

Just for the sake of argument and to point out the imbalance of this proposal from a different perspective:

/StartSnark
"I want a nerf to having a specific battleship hull from jumping the same wormhole within 20 minutes!! I mean, I am sooooo tired of ISO-5 rolling away from my daredevil with their 8 Ravens. Lily-adorned pansies!! It's just so unfair!"
/EndSnark

I'd be fine with having an area of effect nullification to higgs-rigged ships of any flavor - say no more than 3 on grid or the mass bonus is neutralized.

And oh, if you happen to be in the "larger WH group" here, it's myth that smaller groups won't take a fight, so let's not make a broad brushstroke false summary along those lines to try to justify nerfing a unique niche case fitting.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/51722500/

So Corbexx, I vote for not nerfing the rolling taxi, and simply nerfing large groups of higgs-rigged ships being used in the same area (grid). What I'd much prefer to see some development time and energy being focused on are the goddamn fitting bugs that randomly pop up when transiting WH's or gates.

100% agree here.

(From elsewhere)

I am getting the idea, that some think any small ship having the ability to roll holes without dying in a bubble is wrong? Is that really so bad?
Do people hate holes being closed so much it is necessary for people to pay a couple of battleships for a fee or log off?
Sure, when people are on, there's lots of fun fighting, but is it right that a small or out of hours corp should have no other options?

Something not right with this.

Nullification removal is the way to go. Rolling t3s provide similar risk free rolling options, which the only response involves fielding caps to prevent cloak or hoping the pilot makes a massive error.

All to catch a 80m ship that will probably spawn right next to jump range anyways. Right now, these ships are used to either bear with complete impunity or to roll holes that shouldn't be rollable with a huge ass fleet on them. Its even possible for a group that doesn't have hole control in an eviction to repeatedly mass holes, though they cant fully collapse them without getting their yacht rolled out (presuming the group with hole control isn't ********, because they will sit a BS on the other side to roll the yacht). These mechanics are fairly silly and unless risk free rolling is a thing CCP wants, these two rolling options need to go.

Why do you feel entitled to be able to, with zero risk, counterplay, or interactivity, be able to roll a hole in front a fleet? And, why should you be forced to spend your eve time with that? Because it's OTHER PLAYERS forcing that upon you, not the game; this isn't a singleplayer game, it's about everyone, and sometimes other players will **** you over, and they have a god damn right to, we all do. On different days you'll be on different ends of the shaft, this is just how it goes. If they want to camp you, they can, same here as anywhere in eve, and you still have the option of rolling, it just won't be able to be done in a super easy, risk-free, completely non-interactive way.

Not directly related to any one in particulars post, but a number of people are likely playing Buzzword bingo at this time.

Points are given for
Must include T3
"Zero Risk"
"No counter"
"Too easy"
"Unfair"
"Overpowered"
Completely incorrect mechanics that are wildly absurd.
Big fleet should not be countered by a single ship.
And Bear or PVE bear.
Extra points for picking a "solution" while not understanding how it would make a difference.
Double points for "everyone knows" or "everyone agrees" that's a good one.

Hope that helps, some one will no doubt get extra points for something that is just wildly insane, there is hope.

Edit:- special reward for "non interactive", it appears someone has found a way for yachts to jump themselves

Some have come very close, but we are still looking for a winner.

People actually explaining where they are actually being used in a way that is problematic, and establishing a particular issue, are exempt from buzzword bingo and their sensible and rational comments will be considered seriously and may help decide how the issue will be treated.

This Yacht is too easy with no counter, I mean cmon, theres Zero risk and it makes the ship unfair, almost overpowered, it has completetly incorrect mechanis that are wildly absurd, I mean, an entire big fleet should not be countered by a single ship, even is they are bears or PVE Bears, and I think that everyone knows this, and with that I also think everyone agrees.


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