Player Features and Ideas Discussion

NOTE: This is NOT about how the current capital navigation state is terrible, just how it could be improved without breaking the current mechanics.

NOTE: These numbers are open to change and discussion as well as the entire post... I want to improve capital navigation without breaking it....

Alright, so clear cut as the title say I would like to discuss the state of capital navigation and how it could be improved. Currently, if you want to move your capital [we will use a carrier for example in this case] you have to deal with jump fatigue (jump fat) which is not so bad.

Jump fatigue:
• Forces you to think in a more strategic way and prepare ahead of time for even small movements.
• makes it so all [combat] capitals have the same max jump range
• Gives smaller entities a chance to exist without being annihilated by a capital fleet without semi-adequate time.
• Increases the use of sub-capital hulls for combat scenarios making battleships being seen more often than titans (exaggerated I know but not by much)

the list goes on: but it also removes a fair few points from the game.

• It is easier to sell a carrier and buy one not ten gates from where you are to save time and effort.
• it reduces the amount of use for capitals, super carriers and titans have issues making it to fights at all (yes I know that is the point of jump fat...will come back to this one later)
• Has halted almost all major warfare in null outside of defense which has made it arguably more stagnant than it was pre-phoebe.

and again the list goes on... BUT it could be better.


I for one, love to use capitals, I don't want to spend weeks building them or have people spend years training them....or as of late, tons upon tons of billions to get sp for them. to have a ship that is almost never used because it is so annoying to get it in and eve MORE annoying to get it out. I have contemplated many ways to fix or solve this.

1) increase range of all capitals back to their old range BUT keep the jump fat ... this would be great except the range modifier would still be in play so arguably just as annoying, if not more. but it would better the chance of capitals being able to be used. That alone would at least be better as you would STILL have to deal with getting it out, and jumping further would give the hostiles more time.

good but, could be better.

2) having multiple modes [ like the tactical destroyer ] travel and combat mode for example, only unlike the new destroyers for a much longer period, 12-24 hours. Once you switch into these modes you would have a timer not on your character but on the ship, allowing you to move more caps into place but still limiting said capitals use.

Example: you want to move a carrier from say M-0 to say HED-GP at level 5 jump drive calibration you would have 13 jumps, assuming you did this with minimal jump fat it would take at least 13 hours... as a minimum if not longer due to jump fat, camps or what have you...

• To counter this you switch into travel mode. cut 13 jumps into say, 4-8 jumps.... yes it is a lot BUT in travel mode you yourself could not engage in combat, or use any kind of defensive or offensive modules/drones until the timer was up and you could go back to combat mode. However you could still be engaged by others making you far more vulnerable.

• Adversely without engaging travel mode you would have to use 1.5 times the fuel or another cut from the jump range since navigational mode would increase jump range... this allowing you to get into combat but at more cost: whilst making moving capitals more viable. Or perhaps, no change from it's current state as it is already fairly limiting in engaging in combat.

don't even get me started on massive move ops and how long they can take because of tidi from the amount of things on grid at any one time for so long.

All in All this would make navigation easier and faster without breaking it, hunters and defenders would have a wide open time to hit them and prepare without threat of engagement from capitals while open to use theirs to engage those moving... As well as increasing their combat and breaking the somewhat stale pvp and ending the constant stress of moving capitals.... I am looking at you PL with your titan move ops and sh*t...

Tell me what you think or tell me that I am off my rocker and Grr Goon and what have you, either way.

wait your telling me that just being able to move large amounts of capital and sub capital assets in a short amount of time is a huge advantage?

He is not 100% wrong, it would be an advantage yes, but as I stated there would be very clear risks to doing this as to make sure that it was not overpowered like times of old, Being able to move around without having to spend your entire day awake at the keyboard as people have jobs, kids and families [hard to believe right?] as well and while I personally LOVE eve and CCP and would spend as much time here as I can, I do want to play the game when I finish, and if I spend 13 hours making 1 trip out of many on a deployment... I still would not have got to do any combat or take part in any game and so making the travel mode highly reduce jump fat or take it away entirely in that mode I feel would make up for it as 12 hours* 2-4 times over.... like Hell would I even want to deploy even if we were told to.

Again though, even to this model there should be changes of course which is why I posted in the first place :)

obligatory 'working as intended'.

Make New Eden large again.

I'm telling you flat out, that you can travel station to station from one side of EVE, to a viable staging system on the other side, to invade any region in the game, using a 10LY jump range, without exposing your capitals to any risk whatsoever. Btw, basically every major invasion of someones space starts with staging out of a lowsec near their region or NPC station in their region.

You jump, you dock. You undock, and before the undocking invuln timer expires, you jump again, you dock. No risk. Pick the right stations and you can even have a bad jump, bounce off at 2km/sec, and still dock because the docking radius is massive. I routinely jump JF's, which are basically giant expensive boxes that die when you look at them funny, into very hostile lowsecs on a near daily basis. I lose all my cyno Ibises, but my caps are untouchable.

You can do this with one character an an alt. you can do it in a massive blob. You can do it anywhere in between.

People die in caps doing stupid stuff every day. Very few, if any, are a result of a pilot traveling, because you can cyno a JF or other cap onto a station surrounded by 100 sensor boosted Ragnarocks and be perfectly safe, because of session timers.

You claim it will create fights. It wont, because traveling caps are safe unless complete idiots.

You claim it won't enable force projection, but then say that it will enable them to move across the map, but a 24 hour delay after that before starting a major campaign makes it all better.

You claim I'm not giving you feedback. I am. The feedback is that your idea is self entitled wishing that you didn't have to deal with the now limited jump distance or fatigue, and that you want to change the mechanics to gut the parts you don't like, while keeping the part that inconvenienced everyone else.

My feedback is not constructive, because when an idea is bad enough, the only way to improve is by leveling it and starting over.