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Counter Cloaking

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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#21 - 2016-01-24 16:01:27 UTC
Show me on the doll where the afk cloaker touched you.
Also, can I have your stuff? And your SP next month?

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

TackyTachy1
Doomheim
#22 - 2016-02-10 03:42:11 UTC
On very rare occasions, when for whatever reason some hotshot pilot keeps jumping in/out of cloak, you can microwarp towards his last known position, launch all your drones and maybe get lucky and smoke him out that way. But then that could lead to other problems, like he just goes ahead and blows you up.

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SurrenderMonkey
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#23 - 2016-02-10 05:08:32 UTC
Nathen Strive wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Even if you could probe them people would just complain about how hard it was.

And how cloaking is the worst thing in eve but investing SP in probing is a waste of time.


This is why I say they should make probes able to detect cloakers. You have combat probes in game but what are they really good for? It you turn probes into a counter cloaker it would validate that module and its skill line. I honestly don't see why it wasn't put in the game from the start.



Did you really just ask what combat probes are good for?

Do you even play this game?

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Suparion Knox
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-02-10 05:54:26 UTC
Rykker Bow wrote:
The cloaking mechanic is just fine the way it is.

If for some reason they do decide to change it so they can be probed down, then they should compensate the cloaked ship with something like being able to activate certain mods while cloaked.



Agree 100%
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#25 - 2016-02-10 11:54:02 UTC
The counter to cloaking is locking. As soon as you are locked, you can no longer cloak. Just to add a little nuance to the "cloak again" argument.
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2016-02-10 15:55:48 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
...Then again, how do you "counter" a rock? ...

Paper
AFK Cloaker
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2016-02-11 12:46:00 UTC
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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#28 - 2016-02-13 13:44:27 UTC
Nathen Strive wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Even if you could probe them people would just complain about how hard it was.

And how cloaking is the worst thing in eve but investing SP in probing is a waste of time.


This is why I say they should make probes able to detect cloakers. You have combat probes in game but what are they really good for? It you turn probes into a counter cloaker it would validate that module and its skill line. I honestly don't see why it wasn't put in the game from the start.


if guy is cloaked he is not combating so why should combat probes find him?
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-02-13 14:04:02 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Nathen Strive wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Even if you could probe them people would just complain about how hard it was.

And how cloaking is the worst thing in eve but investing SP in probing is a waste of time.


This is why I say they should make probes able to detect cloakers. You have combat probes in game but what are they really good for? It you turn probes into a counter cloaker it would validate that module and its skill line. I honestly don't see why it wasn't put in the game from the start.


if guy is cloaked he is not combating so why should combat probes find him?
Excellent point!

We should have AFK probes that spot cloakers but just if your AFK too. If you get back ATK they lose them.

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#30 - 2016-02-13 19:55:51 UTC
I like AFK cloaking.

I'll go into an enemy system before I go to sleep and cloak up.

I'll wake up after downtime and still be able to see the dimmed out local chat behind the CLUSTER SHUTDOWN box and read the passive aggressive attempts to bait me into talking.

Sometimes I'll do it before going to work and come back and read all that was said to me.

Look at all the private chats people tried to open up.

It's so much fun having such an impact on so many people with near zero effort.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#31 - 2016-02-13 21:46:24 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
I like AFK cloaking.

I'll go into an enemy system before I go to sleep and cloak up.

I'll wake up after downtime and still be able to see the dimmed out local chat behind the CLUSTER SHUTDOWN box and read the passive aggressive attempts to bait me into talking.

Sometimes I'll do it before going to work and come back and read all that was said to me.

Look at all the private chats people tried to open up.

It's so much fun having such an impact on so many people with near zero effort.

Mind games are the best games Roll

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Nalia White
Tencus
#32 - 2016-02-25 16:01:53 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
I like AFK cloaking.

I'll go into an enemy system before I go to sleep and cloak up.

I'll wake up after downtime and still be able to see the dimmed out local chat behind the CLUSTER SHUTDOWN box and read the passive aggressive attempts to bait me into talking.

Sometimes I'll do it before going to work and come back and read all that was said to me.

Look at all the private chats people tried to open up.

It's so much fun having such an impact on so many people with near zero effort.


i am not green or anything but i would never leave my pc running for more than an hour when i am not playing...

well i did it in earlier times for ultima online or darkfall for macroing skills up though :)

i just see no benefit for myself in this. if you need your rations of "tears" suit yourself

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Varrinox
Red Sky Morning
Two Maidens One Chalice
#33 - 2016-03-06 14:28:24 UTC
To all the people saying a cloaked person cannot do anything...

Whilst cloaked you can still provide large amounts of Intel in the area you are in and likots within it. Good accurate Intel is the most important resources in EVE.

The guy above who wrote something like "I love having huge influence on a group just by going afk in their space" is a very good indication of the problem here. The reward vs risk is not right.
Suzanne Khale
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2016-03-07 12:18:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Suzanne Khale
Nathen Strive wrote:
Did they ever add the ability to scan down cloakers with probes. I know there are a lot of old topic spread across plenty of sites that say cloakers should remain clocked but I think its kind of unbalanced when you have a ship that cant be countered . Stay out of decloak range and laurch torpidos. Are they locking on to you? cloak again.

I agree that clockers need to be hard to find. But how many people drag probes with them? In particularly combat probes. Not that many, but if they did it could become a awesome game of cat and mouse or in fleet battles a race to see what cloaker can find one another first. Putting this into place would add more depth into playing a cloaker than afk wait at bait them bomb give me my loot.


I am sorry to be rude: you are not considering the cloak players side mostly because you probably don't have a clue about cloaking nor about combat scanning and relative tactics, both offensive and defensive.

Combat Scanning is not possible on cloaked targets. You know why? If a ship is cloaked and it would be possible to scan it, what could you do? Just deploy Combat Scan Probes on whole system range, analyze and ... look! Some ship is "hiding in there". Better leave. You don't have to pin it at 100% to notice. Offensive Cloaking will be meaningless.

Cloak would be completely useless. This is true even for "defensive" cloak: a Buzzard is scouting a system staying cloaked, some smart ganker will be able to scan it, drop on it, and decloak by warping at 0Km. Why would it even bother cloak.

There are yet a number of counters against cloak, so your "a ship that can't be countered" is bullshi*p:

- Ships decloaking got a big deal penalty on locking time: if you look at your overview you will be able to see it several seconds before you will be locked. With the only exception of Stealth Bombers, which you can kill throwing stones at them

- Cloaked ships cannot warp, unless being able to mount Cov Ops II device

- Combat Scan is largely used by skilled PvPers. The reason you didn't noticed is because a good combat scanners will never let you notice that they are scanning you down. That requires an over-average skill on pinpointing targets with D-scan, and just one run of Combat Scan at 0.5 AU range. Not easy, still someone is able to do that.

- When you see Combat Scanner Probes on D-scan for more than 10seconds, someone is doing it wrong. Either the scanner needs more than one analyze run, or you are not refreshing your D-scan.

- You can prevent a ship cloaking by locking it

- You can prevent Combat Scanning, or make it harder, by reducing your signature radius. Some system gives a bonus/malus about that, some ship got a bonus. Not using an MWD, for example, will help you. Some fitting increase your signature radius, making easier scan you down.

- You are basically asking for the game to be dumbed down, why don't you download Battlenet and try World of Craft?
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2016-03-07 16:03:40 UTC
Varrinox wrote:
To all the people saying a cloaked person cannot do anything...

Whilst cloaked you can still provide large amounts of Intel in the area you are in and likots within it. Good accurate Intel is the most important resources in EVE.

The guy above who wrote something like "I love having huge influence on a group just by going afk in their space" is a very good indication of the problem here. The reward vs risk is not right.



And at the same time, anyone with covert ops trained can perform the same activity. Someone wants to spy on you, then spy on them. Viola, Balance!
Suzanne Khale
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2016-03-07 19:31:09 UTC
Varrinox wrote:
To all the people saying a cloaked person cannot do anything...

Whilst cloaked you can still provide large amounts of Intel in the area you are in and likots within it. Good accurate Intel is the most important resources in EVE.

The guy above who wrote something like "I love having huge influence on a group just by going afk in their space" is a very good indication of the problem here. The reward vs risk is not right.


Why you Null Sec people don't directly ask CCP to bring Concord in there? It's pretty clear to me that's what you are aiming for.
Jasmine Shepard
Relentless Destruction
Immediate Destruction
#37 - 2016-03-08 19:02:37 UTC
Nathen Strive wrote:
I agree that clockers need to be hard to find. But how many people drag probes with them? In particularly combat probes.


Most competent gangs. So i would say ~10% of small gangs, 15-20% if we're being optimistic Lol
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