EVE General Discussion

Buy a hulk and mine some ore.

PvP will happen

Null-sec is a perfect recreation of reality.

First you had chaos, then you had dozens of nations fighting each other, then you had empire building, then you had empires fighting each other, then you had the empires collapse and the nations form coalitions, then you had the coalitions beat each other up a few times, and finally several hundred years down the road you have the United Nations and even people who hate each other would rather hate quietly while benefiting from global trade.

In 13 years of EVE Online we've emulated hundreds of years of human history and ended up in exactly the same place we're in in the world today.

"I know not with what ships miners will be ganked with in the coming war, but in the War after that they will be ganked with pods. "

- Capsuleer Einstein

Pretty sure you joined the wrong group, you need a group actively looking for trouble and fights, not defending and holding a big territory. The sov game is not everybody's cup of tea. A lot of the battles making news rise by pure chance from a chain of escalations, because somebody made a mistake, others are arranged "good fights" with or without surprises ... if your desire is PvP fleet action around the clock like in the "This is EvE" trailer, come to Spectre Fleet and Bombers Bar, and live in Thera or Highsec.

At the moment:
most ships killed in the last 24h .....................Jita 457

any further questions?
There was another battle with +350 ships killed, right, but why does a trade hub beat a warside? Is there any statistic that shows kills in High-sec, low-sec and null per day/month/year? When I look at the map I'm just guessing that high-sec beats null by 10:1

Okay, found statistics: Dotlan So High-Sec has twice the kills of Null-Sec. High-Sec as a name might be a little misleading.
couldn't check the old stats cause Dotlan has some DB problems.

tl;dr: If you want PVP on an individual skill-based level, then join FW. If you want long-term strategic goals ( = building an empire) with PVP as a necessary evil, then go to 0.0.

I've lived in highsec (when I was a noob), then 0.0 for many years and currently I'm mainly active in FW/lowsec. In my opinion the situation in 0.0 has devolved more and more towards "nullbears" that are mainly in 0.0 to be able to farm ISK faster and build space empires. Fighting and PVP is seen as a necessary evil but not as a main goal (preventing a fight and "blueballing" people is more efficient then actually fighting - especially if 99% of your members are nullbears without balls that have no experience in PVP). This tactic of "dock up and bore our enemies to tears" may be wonderful for empire builders but it's utterly terrible for PVPers (which only drives away more PVPers from the alliance and therefor reinforces the fact that docking and hiding is more efficient then attempting to fight back).

When I first joined 0.0 (back in 2006/2007) this was not yet the case. People actually came to 0.0 for PVP, not to farm anoms in an afk carrier or whatever kids get up to these days.

The situation only got worse over the years (mainly when PVE became a thing in 0.0 which attracted many non-PVPers to 0.0). A further factor was the increasing abundance of powerblocks and the tools that allowed them to very quickly deploy to any area they wished, thus escalating any mid-sized fight to a massive blob-fest and thus deterring many interesting fights.

After that I joined PL (who were basically nomadic mercenaries) and had a great time with them for about a year. This was by far the most fun I had in 0.0... but PL was also not a sov-holding alliance so I guess it doesn't really count. The problem for me with PL was that it required a very high level of activity and dedication and that just wasn't compatible with my real life on a long term basis. Sooner or later I left and took a longer break from EVE.

After I returned I decided to join FW and am really enjoying the focus on PVP that exists there ever since! Sure, it's usually just frigates and small gang or solo action but to be honest this is far more fun and interesting for the individual pilot then being part of some huge fleet and waiting on titans for an hour just to have the hostiles blueball you etc. (been there, done that...)

Sure, the first few times you're in a huge fleet it's great and you take a few nice screenshots but beyond that and on a day-to-day level it really isn't the most interesting or engaging form of EVE PVP (and individual skill is virtually irrelevant - you just need a few hundred F1-monkey that are willing to sit on a titan for 3h without falling asleep and then follow broadcasts... yawn).

Now FW in lowsec is a totally different story. If you're looking for a place to fight (especially in smaller ships and with fewer people) then I can really recommend joining FW. I probably got more solo and small gang fights in my 1,5 years in FW then in the previous 7 years in various 0.0 alliances combined.

Sure, the fighting in FW is pretty pointless beyond simply fighting each other and improving your PVP skills. Unlike 0.0 you're not fighting for your huge empire or to defend the moons that some alliance members are earning their ISK with - you're simply fighting because it's fun (and obviously also to defend your factions space but that's pretty irrelevant and is mainly an excuse to get good fights).

It's also absolutely ideal for a person like me who has lots going on in RL... Gone are the days where I'm willing to "alarm clock" for fleets and spend hours and hours waiting for the action in 0.0 to kick off. In FW you simply log in, join a fleet (or head out solo) and have a blast and then log out again. It's as close to "no strings attached" as you can get in EVE.

Edit: However, in defense of 0.0 game play I do have to point out: there were some very fun moments in 0.0 as well - for example when the alliance I was in came under massive attack from the Russians and we were forced to fight or lose all our space (which, in the end we did lose by the way) but that also wasn't really fun because of the action-packed PVP but more on a strategic level and from a social point of view (seeing when the defeatist-faction within the alliance took over and then everything fell apart within days etc.). That was a blast (but not from a purely PVP point of view).

Okay so if anyone in this thread describing how bad null sec is/was:

a) has lived there longer than two weeks;
b) has lived there recently (lets say in the last month);
c) is/was not a member or a pet of the Goons; and
d) is not bad at this game and should feel bad,

please x up in fleet.

a) I lived in null for about three months. i spent far longer in w-space, which is much more interesting.
b) No. Got bored and found more ways to have fun in highsec.
c) lol Goonhate
d) i'm not sure this grammar means what you think it means

edit: so basically you can't criticize null life if you aren't actively living it (within the past month). Gotcha.

I've lived in null for over two years and I shoot Goons...and anybody else I can catch...can I play?

To the op...On a serious note - declaring nullsec to be "underwhelming" based on a single experience with a single group says a lot more about your unrealistic expectations than anything else.

There is all sorts of activity and experiences to be had in nullsec. You joined a big sov blob and found you didn't enjoy what you ended up doing. So maybe try a different angle...there are groups in NPC null that just look for fights, there are other sov groups you could try, there is the strange but often enjoyable NRDS nullsec community in Providence you could go spend time with...or you could just whine about it.

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