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Open petition against EVElopedia closure

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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#101 - 2016-03-06 13:03:42 UTC
Signed.

This one makes me really sad. I agree the Evelopedia has not been updated much for ages and a lot of the stats etc were totally out of date. Some stuff on there was essential to play parts of the game such as the oft maligned COSMOS stuff. So this really is CCP kicking themselves in the face if it was physically possible. I have no idea what CCP is trying to do - It's really like s******* all over yourself. Usually only prisoners in jail would do such a thing on a dirty protest so I really don't understand why these changes continue to happen. Sad
Colan Tyler Powel
Doomheim
#102 - 2016-03-06 13:27:13 UTC
AttentionIdea Given the huge number of forum posts that link to various EVElopedia articles, It would make more sense to task a small team to update and maintain this invaluable resource.

Failure to, at least fix the broken links, will be a constant source of frustration and aggravation to players needing answers to questions that can only be found on EVElopedia.

A more reasonable solution might be to post a disclaimer for those using EVElopedia with a link to a source of up to date sources of information.

Many forum articles are applicable today and that information is no longer accessible.Ugh
Karina Ivanovich
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#103 - 2016-03-06 23:23:12 UTC
Signed

Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.

Sama Dobrota
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2016-03-07 10:47:12 UTC
Signed.

To begin this: EVElopedia contains A LOT of materials, hence, a plenty of LABOUR has been required to compile link and organize these. AFAIK, many ISD guys had participated in these efforts and, I am sorry, but I hardly can believe authors and contributors were willing and happy to eliminate their efforts.

CCPlease, bring the wiki back and kindly ask ISD people to take care about it by inserting banners like: “obsolete” “requires editing” for outdated/controversial pages.

Destructing someone's else work is easy.
Delta Naskingar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2016-03-07 11:09:01 UTC
signed
Donatien de'Sade
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#106 - 2016-03-07 11:19:26 UTC
Signed

Relying on 3rd party sites for your game's information and back story is indicative of a company in steep decline... What?
FatalityOne
Yolo Corp
Many Reckless Corps
#107 - 2016-03-07 11:23:28 UTC
Signed This is needed for many people, not just new ones. Given the complexity of EVE, the prospect of remember everything is not likely. Yes there are other sites but not as complete as the people who wrote the game.
Yedras Olacar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#108 - 2016-03-07 11:30:11 UTC
As someone that has recently started playing eve, a good portion of the stuff I google about the game now attempts to display the defunct wiki, I don't really see any rational reason for the site being taken down in the first place. I also find it quite rude that CCP seems to expect the community to foot the cost of running unofficial information sources considering they aren't getting paid to do it.

/Signed
Samantha Hawkins Ortez
GeoCorp.
Evictus.
#109 - 2016-03-07 17:39:46 UTC
Signed
Donna Lucia d'Alvadorez
Doomheim
#110 - 2016-03-07 20:42:02 UTC
Signed.

Today a player wondered in a Help channel if this is Okay to shoot newbies at rookie systems.
The page explaining what theses systems are (4x3x2+1(Arnon)) is completely gone.
Of course, Eve Uni has a copy, but that player's reaction was logical enough: Eve Uni is a third-party site, hence this can not be official.
Eve Online appropriate forum posts refer to now non-existing Evelopedia page.
Why so?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2016-03-07 22:13:15 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Obviously the Evelopedia was a little bit out dated but overall it was still a very good source of info, especially pertaining to the PvE aspect of Eve Online.

Seeing that there's still a need for Evelopedia, I talked to Mr. Peabody and Sherman who both agreed to let me use their Wayback Machine to get a usable working snapshot.

Evelopedia via Wayback Machine
This link enables Evelopedia viewing but no updating. Also the search option doesn't work so you'll have to manually go to a specific page by using the various inside wiki links.

Hopefully someone can transcribe this info into a new wiki which can then be updated.


DMC
Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#112 - 2016-03-08 12:14:30 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Obviously the Evelopedia was a little bit out dated but overall it was still a very good source of info, especially pertaining to the PvE aspect of Eve Online.

Seeing that there's still a need for Evelopedia, I talked to Mr. Peabody and Sherman who both agreed to let me use their Wayback Machine to get a usable working snapshot.

Evelopedia via Wayback Machine
This link enables Evelopedia viewing but no updating. Also the search option doesn't work so you'll have to manually go to a specific page by using the various inside wiki links.

Hopefully someone can transcribe this info into a new wiki which can then be updated.


DMC

The best news since EvElopedia is gone.

Because this thread (surprisely) did not sink still and because it looks like a lot of people around want EvElopedia to be back, it would be nice if some ISD-guys bring this thread to DEV's attention so they may tell their official "NO F***ING WAY!" to community.
Aizek Arsten
Underwater rebels
#113 - 2016-03-08 12:47:35 UTC
Signed
Sanych Sukarala
Sanych Lonetrek Research Consultancy
#114 - 2016-03-08 14:56:29 UTC
Signed

Rather bad idea to get rid of consolidated surce of guieds, walkthrough's e.t.c.
XeX Znndstrup
#115 - 2016-03-08 15:29:44 UTC
Signed.

We already express our opinion directly on twitter.
Evelopedia was full of interesting information even if not up to date.

We knew about shutdown 3 days before it has been discontinued. Serious business ?

Eve University Wiki is absolutly good, Brave Newbies likely also, but what will happen if they decide to stop ?
CREST is a good tool but should we study IT to be able to play Eve Online now ?
We don't even speak about the dump. We can't do anything with that even if Steve tried to propose a page.

We don't speak about all time spent by some players to write on this wiki.
It's definitely not respectuous for their time and subscription.

Sometimes, it's good not to go over the top.

Judge of The Law Organization and President of Stellar Order.

"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.

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Aldarin Makanen
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#116 - 2016-03-08 16:24:17 UTC
Signed.

Evelopeida was my go-to reference for all things EVE. I would regularly have several pages open at a time, practically every time I was online and playing. I found it helpful...more so than other 3rd party pages. Seeing it go was a kick to the groin.

Props to DeMichael "DMC" Crimson for posting the link to the Wayback Machine. Many thanks for that.
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#117 - 2016-03-08 16:45:24 UTC
Signed.

In all the years I have been playing EvE I have used EVElopedia several times weekly.
Some info was indeed out of date, especially info on hulls and modules. But a most was definitely not and therefore still viable.

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......

Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#118 - 2016-03-08 17:54:48 UTC
Signed.
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#119 - 2016-03-08 19:06:14 UTC
Soeculation, but most likely with the addition of new investors and board members they are trying to tighten the ship, maximize the income and cut down on all costs.
I'm not really surprised although saddened by this.

The CSM XI Election are now open until March 25th, 2016. Consider Niko Lorenzio for CSM XI.

CSM matters, your voice matters, your vote matters!

Achanjati
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#120 - 2016-03-09 10:16:51 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Yeah, funny thing about this thread is there used to be an ISD team that specifically looked after the Wiki.

For a long time there was a sticky'd thread here in GD calling for people to join the team. It had virtually no active players as volunteers to help maintain and update the Wiki.

Now it's been removed people are complaining. They could have become an ISD on the relevant team and helped all along.


In the first, yes, there was a topic an you could fill out an application.
On the second view, there are cases where you fill out the application and didn't even get a response. And if asked, CCP just say: "Sorry, we can't see your application".
CCP Phantom stated in the german forum that they had "technical issues" in the past so not all applications could processed or could get lost.
But "it should be fixed now, just fill out your application again." It's not a funny thing saying this to players after destroying their motivation by disregarding them.